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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9661683" data-attributes="member: 85555">1) There are multiple defitions of agency and people have been selecting the ones most convenient to their argument. Definitions of agency shift from one discipline to the next. Agency in RPGs has a particular meaning. You can tell this when you hear players complain about loss of agency in a campaign and it is clear what they are complaining about. I also think agency is a malleable term depending on the context in an RPG. I think what you are talking about has more to do with control of the game than with agency, and you are largely limiting the discussion to the players engagement with the mechanics and not the setting, which overlooks half of what is going on. In terms of diminishment: you are. This all arose over a claim that sandboxes, which most people consider a pretty maximal agency style, was really not so. And it comes in a conversation where people are trying to frame sandbox as a gm driven style of play (and being contrasted with styles and systems like BW or PbtA). Throughout this discussion you have consistently been trying to deduct agency from sandbox play and criticizing our framing of sandbox. At the same time, I have been very accepting of your claims about BW and BitD or PbtA, and also very inclusive about saying systems like that can still be sandboxes in my opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 9661683, member: 85555"] 1) There are multiple defitions of agency and people have been selecting the ones most convenient to their argument. Definitions of agency shift from one discipline to the next. Agency in RPGs has a particular meaning. You can tell this when you hear players complain about loss of agency in a campaign and it is clear what they are complaining about. I also think agency is a malleable term depending on the context in an RPG. I think what you are talking about has more to do with control of the game than with agency, and you are largely limiting the discussion to the players engagement with the mechanics and not the setting, which overlooks half of what is going on. In terms of diminishment: you are. This all arose over a claim that sandboxes, which most people consider a pretty maximal agency style, was really not so. And it comes in a conversation where people are trying to frame sandbox as a gm driven style of play (and being contrasted with styles and systems like BW or PbtA). Throughout this discussion you have consistently been trying to deduct agency from sandbox play and criticizing our framing of sandbox. At the same time, I have been very accepting of your claims about BW and BitD or PbtA, and also very inclusive about saying systems like that can still be sandboxes in my opinion. [/QUOTE]

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