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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9662459" data-attributes="member: 6915329">Nope. See, I can understand why you would consider that to be an intimate moment. It's quite likely I would as well.It's when you say that BW is better than other games at doing it, and this intimate moment is caused through dice rolls which determine who "won" a particular argument or discussion--that's where I have the problem. Because I've had or witnessed many such intimate moments in many different RPGs, all of which involve the player(s) discussing things without a single die roll involved.Except that you have said you don't need to roll for every single thing the player does. And not everything a player does is going to be equally important. No it doesn't. It puts the focus on the things that are actually important and interesting to the player, like the action of getting the blood to the naga, dealing with the assassin, or potentially even gathering the blood in the first place. OK, sure. I'm sure there are some people who find rolling perception checks for things that should be readily visible to them to be fun. I'm not one of them, and I don't know anyone IRL who is.Yes. And that's the vibe that I get from your game. I don't mean the mechanics. I mean the vibe. You've even said it yourself: there's no vessel in the room because you didn't say there was one there when you described the room; there's no social agreement and everything has to be resolved with dice. It's that sort of rigid nitpickiness that puts me in mind of those sort of GMs.OK, here you're proving you're not actually understanding anything that I've been writing. Like, at all."You need to bring blood to the naga, but there's an assassin there who killed the guy whose blood you need." Now, I can't remember what exactly you said so I will say that for this version of the example, the naga said get me blood right now, you measly biped, or you will learn first-hand how far my jaw can dislocate!, meaning the PC has to hurry. Let's break down the tasks involved here:Task 1: Getting to the sick room in time.Task 2: Seeing a cup.Task 3: Getting to the cup while avoiding the assassin, or Fighting the assassin, then getting to the cup.Task 4: Getting to the corpse while avoiding the assassin, or Fighting the assassin, then getting to the corpse.Task 5: Getting the blood in the cup and not all over you.Task 6: Getting the blood back to the naga in time while keeping onlookers, guards, etc. from seeing you're carrying blood in a cup.I think that's all of it. Any tasks I missed?Now, lets resolve them:Part 1: The PC has to both hurry and walk casual and possibly avoid people who are trying to get his attention. I can see any of a couple of different rolls being called here. Some sort of skill for the running, some sort of skill for the faux-casual walk (you know he's sweating bullets), some sort of skill to avoid having to deal with people who would delay him, and maybe even some sort of skill to talk his way into the area where the wounded guy is getting killed. This is dramatic, even possibly cinematic. Anywhere from 1-4 skills can be rolled here.Part 2: The PC then gets to the sick room, which is laid out like any other sick room and thus has cups, bowls, jugs, and jars. Except you didn't describe them. So a perception-type check. +1 skill check.Part 3 and Part 4: We'll combine the resolution of these steps as follows:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the PC decides to fight or try to drive off the assassin, that's combat. This is dramatic.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the PC tries to dodge around the assassin (whether the assassin is fleeing or lunging towards the PC), this calls for one or two dodge/acrobatics-type rolls. This is dramatic.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If the assassin decides to flee and the PC lets them, then this calls for no rolls for them to then walk across the room and grab the cup--unless BW requires you to roll to walk across a room. This is not dramatic.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I don't know how long combat in BW normally takes or how many die rolls are involved; quick research brought up a "simple martial conflict" and a "bloody versus test" and "full fight rules," my gods, with the idea that the latter two are for more important combats and holy crap this game has weapon speeds and does different damage depending on the armor worn what is this AD&D? Ahem. You can decide how important this combat is. But in D&D, let's say this would last, oh, three rounds, so we'll say a maximum of six die rolls. At least you don't need to roll for damage in BW. So anywhere from +0 to +6 checks.</li> </ul>Part 5 probably requires nothing more than a manual dexterity-type roll. +1 skill check.Part 6 is going to be a redux of Part 1, only maybe harder depending on if they did badly in Part 5 and got blood all over them and also because they are carrying a cup with blood in it. +1 to +4 skill checks. Did you know that redux isn't in firefox's dictionary?So, in my version of these events, there's anywhere from four to sixteen skill checks. Assuming you're going with a basic type of combat that's over quickly. It could actually be a much higher number.Of course, that's me listing out the skills one by one and having combat. There are other methods of doing all these things, of course. I could do it as a skill challenge and require X successes before Y failures, like in D&D 4e. I could do it as a variant of an exploration challenge in Level Up. I could use the heist rules from BitD. And before you say anything, I'm actually quite good at converting things from one system to another. Assuming BW doesn't already have rules for these things.So anywhere from four to sixteen rolls or more--and you think that the player is just deciding they succeed at this task if I get rid of one of those rolls as unnecessary?</blockquote>

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