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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9663457" data-attributes="member: 6915329">But according to the book, the audience will think the winner is not only correct, but awesome as well. That the winner has "struck on the truth while [their] opponent is mired in half-formed thought and naive delusion." And there's nothing in there that I can find that says PCs react differently.Now, maybe Luke Crane really meant it when he said that the DoW rules aren't designed for PC vs. PC, winner takes all conflicts--they're designed for PC vs. PC (or PC. vs. NPC) in front of a neutral NPC audience--but he didn't lay down a hard-and-fast rule about it for some reason and kept the text vague by writing yeah, OK, you can use them that way, but they're really not meant to be used that way, pemerton is Doing It Wrong.Maybe Luke never imagined anyone would would use them for PC. vs. PC (or PC vs. NPC) in front of a PC audience. In this case, I have to ask if he'd ever played an RPG before. So I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.Maybe when combined with the idea that the DoW rules do force a PC to comply in letter, if not in spirit, to the winner's decision, in which case the PC audience is required to think the winner is correct, even if they don't have to be overjoyed about it.Or maybe the PC audience is, in fact, required to think the winner PC is awesome, "the cat's meow," to quote the book, and the loser PC is a dullard. We'll never know! There doesn't seem to be any errata on it, and no amount of googling the topic has brought up anything besides people's opinions as to whether this is a good idea or not.In my opinion, though, forcing a player to lose agency because of a die roll is a Bad Rule. As I mentioned about a thousand posts ago, in Monster of the Week, you can use the Manipulate Someone move on a PC, but the player still has a choice as to whether or not they're manipulated, and they get XP if they choose yes.(People keep forgetting that's the crux of my issues with pemerton here: so many of his examples are rules that take away from player agency and ability to choose their own character's thoughts and actions.)</blockquote>

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