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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9665756" data-attributes="member: 42582">This makes no sense.I believe that you (sometimes) play Fate. So I'm sure you're aware that Fate permits a player to spend a fate point to establish some detail of the scene/situation that hasn't yet been established.Do you regard Fate as &quot;illogical&quot; because it permits players to adopt &quot;director stance&quot; based on spending fate points? I assume that you don't; but then I don't know why you think a roll, rather than a point spend, is any different from the point of view of logic?I mean, as I'm sure you realise it's not the case, in the fiction, that the vessel &quot;appears&quot;. Rather, it's the case that it is seen by the character who is looking for it.Perhaps what you're really saying is that it is more logical that the GM exercise authority over the content of the fiction than that the player do so? In which case you will see why I regard your favoured approach as more railroad-y than the BW approach.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9665756, member: 42582"] This makes no sense. I believe that you (sometimes) play Fate. So I'm sure you're aware that Fate permits a player to spend a fate point to establish some detail of the scene/situation that hasn't yet been established. Do you regard Fate as "illogical" because it permits players to adopt "director stance" based on spending fate points? I assume that you don't; but then I don't know why you think a roll, rather than a point spend, is any different from the point of view of logic? I mean, as I'm sure you realise it's not the case, in the fiction, that the vessel "appears". Rather, it's the case that [I]it is seen by the character who is looking for it[/I]. Perhaps what you're really saying is that it is more logical that the GM exercise authority over the content of the fiction than that the player do so? In which case you will see why I regard your favoured approach as more railroad-y than the BW approach. [/QUOTE]

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