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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9674316" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Ok, let’s say, in a game you run, there’s a tavern. That means there’s a tavernkeeper, yes?</p><p></p><p>When do you decide the tavernkeeper exists? When the players find the tavern (which I’m sure requires a die roll in your games), or when they walk inside, sidle up to the bar, and say “Barkeep! Ales for all of us!”?</p><p></p><p>Also, this whole “it only exists in your mind” nonsense has to stop, because every single thing in an RPG only exists in the mind of the people at the table. Character sheets and minis, if you use them, are just physical representations of the ideas in your mind.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In past communications with you, you have seemed confused when I use different words. For example, I asked you a question about that whole “mending armor” thing, got the name of the armor-wearer wrong, and all you did was say that the character I named didn’t wear armor rather than actually answer the question. I imagine you simply forgot to answer the question in your confusion. So I’m using the term bypass consistently to, hah, <em>avoid</em> distracting you with different words. </p><p></p><p>You can use bypass, avoid, and doesn’t engage with interchangeably. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Who cares what Gygax said? He also said a paladin could kill babies and still be lawful good. His gaming advice is only useful if you want to play exactly like he did, and I don’t.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, while I played AD&D2e as a brief con game first, my first real RPG was WEG’s Star Wars, and I’ve never played 1e, so I doubly don’t have Gygax as an influence.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If that’s what you want to believe, go ahead.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Tracks aren’t a storyline. Tracks are circumstances (something has happened), pressures (something dangerous <em>is</em> happening), or developing NPC actions (NPCSs made those tracks because they walked by.)</p><p></p><p>A storyline would be “those tracks were made by the cultists of Zar who have kidnapped the son of the merchant prince and are taking him to a holy place to sacrifice him, thus summoning the Foul Many-Eyed Zarmoose, which will trample the nearby towns and devour the townsfolk.” Which is actually a fairly acceptable front in many PbtA games, and may even count as developing NPC actions in AW. </p><p></p><p>And literally all <em>I’ve</em> been saying is, the PCs see tracks, which is what AW says to do, and the PCs go the other way, which is their choice. </p><p></p><p>To the way I read it—and <em>have</em> read it in multiple PbtA games—your interpretation is wrong. You’re not supposed to prep plots, but saying that something or someone, even a named NPC, made tracks, is what you’re <em>supposed</em> to do. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Which thoroughly proves you have had absolutely no idea of what I was talking about.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So if you hear about a traffic jam on the radio and take an alternate route, meaning you’re never stuck in it, you didn’t bypass the jam? Seriously?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So are test and Ob 4, but you have no problem using those terms.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 9674316, member: 6915329"] Ok, let’s say, in a game you run, there’s a tavern. That means there’s a tavernkeeper, yes? When do you decide the tavernkeeper exists? When the players find the tavern (which I’m sure requires a die roll in your games), or when they walk inside, sidle up to the bar, and say “Barkeep! Ales for all of us!”? Also, this whole “it only exists in your mind” nonsense has to stop, because every single thing in an RPG only exists in the mind of the people at the table. Character sheets and minis, if you use them, are just physical representations of the ideas in your mind. In past communications with you, you have seemed confused when I use different words. For example, I asked you a question about that whole “mending armor” thing, got the name of the armor-wearer wrong, and all you did was say that the character I named didn’t wear armor rather than actually answer the question. I imagine you simply forgot to answer the question in your confusion. So I’m using the term bypass consistently to, hah, [I]avoid[/I] distracting you with different words. You can use bypass, avoid, and doesn’t engage with interchangeably. Who cares what Gygax said? He also said a paladin could kill babies and still be lawful good. His gaming advice is only useful if you want to play exactly like he did, and I don’t. Anyway, while I played AD&D2e as a brief con game first, my first real RPG was WEG’s Star Wars, and I’ve never played 1e, so I doubly don’t have Gygax as an influence. If that’s what you want to believe, go ahead. Tracks aren’t a storyline. Tracks are circumstances (something has happened), pressures (something dangerous [I]is[/I] happening), or developing NPC actions (NPCSs made those tracks because they walked by.) A storyline would be “those tracks were made by the cultists of Zar who have kidnapped the son of the merchant prince and are taking him to a holy place to sacrifice him, thus summoning the Foul Many-Eyed Zarmoose, which will trample the nearby towns and devour the townsfolk.” Which is actually a fairly acceptable front in many PbtA games, and may even count as developing NPC actions in AW. And literally all [I]I’ve[/I] been saying is, the PCs see tracks, which is what AW says to do, and the PCs go the other way, which is their choice. To the way I read it—and [I]have[/I] read it in multiple PbtA games—your interpretation is wrong. You’re not supposed to prep plots, but saying that something or someone, even a named NPC, made tracks, is what you’re [I]supposed[/I] to do. Which thoroughly proves you have had absolutely no idea of what I was talking about. So if you hear about a traffic jam on the radio and take an alternate route, meaning you’re never stuck in it, you didn’t bypass the jam? Seriously? So are test and Ob 4, but you have no problem using those terms. [/QUOTE]
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