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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zakael19" data-source="post: 9675953" data-attributes="member: 7044099">I’m reminded now that of that group of 4 players who’d never played D&D but were huge CR fans & loved BG3, two things from 4e really worked for them even if they ultimately wanted to go back to 5e after: open rolls / monster knowledge & narrative skill challenges for exploration and story progression. They genuinely asked me if they could go back to 5e but just keep doing SCs - which are all set DCs. Heck, I used some of the guidance out there to do 5e Skill Challenges beforehand and they were really well taken. It’s interesting to see “progress bars” & fail forward really get popular in D20 play with a new generation. Tales of the Valiant has it in the rules, Daggerheart uses a variety of counter designs, I think DC20 has SCs built in…</blockquote>