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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 9677585" data-attributes="member: 71699">Reflecting a bit more on the question of the existence of game world I'm going to draw a rough working distinction between it and shared ongoing narrative, supposing arguendo thatGame world is authored fiction about the setting that exists in the form of recorded and depicted setting including certain (but not all) remembered and noted contributions to shared ongoing narrative

Shared ongoing narrative is authored fiction about what happens that exists in the form of a chain of remembered and noted contributions by participants

All of recorded, depicted, remembered, noted are taken here to exist as physical objects.
Sandbox worries about and takes care to establish the former independent of the latter. That means that game world can exist even when shared ongoing narrative doesn't exist. This has been commented on many times, such as observations and concerns about fiction that players don't know about. There are often rules in sandbox game designs that haven't anything to do with structuring the shared ongoing narrative (observably contrasting with 'storynow' designs, which worry more about structuring the shared ongoing narrative.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 9677585, member: 71699"] Reflecting a bit more on the question of the existence of game world I'm going to draw a rough working distinction between it and shared ongoing narrative, supposing [I]arguendo[/I] that [INDENT][B]Game world[/B] is authored fiction about the setting that exists in the form of recorded and depicted setting including certain (but not all) remembered and noted contributions to shared ongoing narrative[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Shared ongoing narrative[/B] is authored fiction about what happens that exists in the form of a chain of remembered and noted contributions by participants[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT]All of recorded, depicted, remembered, noted are taken here to exist as physical objects.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] Sandbox worries about and takes care to establish the former independent of the latter. That means that game world can exist even when shared ongoing narrative doesn't exist. This has been commented on many times, such as observations and concerns about fiction that players don't know about. There are often rules in sandbox game designs that haven't anything to do with structuring the shared ongoing narrative (observably contrasting with 'storynow' designs, which worry more about structuring the shared ongoing narrative.) [/QUOTE]

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