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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SableWyvern" data-source="post: 9678221" data-attributes="member: 1008">Your scenario appears, to me, to be:A group of seasoned, skilled outdoor survivalists are travelling in the wilderness. They lose their map and, because the map is lost, are now out of options and their survival is going to come down to dumb luck or desperate hail marys. Can they not judge directions? Does no one have any idea where they've come from? Are there no landmarks anywhere? Are they incapable of foraging or hunting for food? How have they suddenly gone from "fine" to "all is lost, there's no way out"?Outside events might make things harder, but a single event isn't typically going to make things impossible. If it's one event after another, but the group keeps pressing forward, again and again, refusing to turn back, until eventually it's too late, then that's not outside events, it's is either foolishness or it's an assumption by the players that the GM is going to bail them out or not let things get that bad. If it's the latter, and those assumptions are wrong, that's a communication problem, not a system problem.If it's some extreme example, where they're crossing an icy tundra known for week long blizzards that kill even the most experienced native experts, well, either that description of the region means something, and you are genuinely risking death if you choose to set out, or it doesn't, in which case sure, you can use any one of a number of methods to make sure it doesn't happen. If it's not really meant to be deadly to the PCs, then the easy fixes are to either not put them in the deadly blizzard, or make sure it ends before they're out of meaningful options. But either way, I don't really see how you "accidentally" end in a position where no one has any option. And again, if it is just a mistake by the GM (oh, this weather chart was a bad idea, I didn't intend for this outcome that no one will enjoy), then just say so. No need to be coy about it.But I genuinely struggle to see how a "no way out, except based on this single binary roll" situation can just sneak up on everyone with no meaningful opportunity to prevent it by any of the participants -- it it happens, it's something everyone has embraced and accepted as an outcome they're willing to live with.Edit: And, if you still think I'm being disingenuous, there must be something one of us is saying that the other is just not grasping, because I'm definitely not trying to be intentionally obtuse here, or to misrepresent your scenario.</blockquote>

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