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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9679035" data-attributes="member: 29398">This completely fails (sorry) to address my concerns about failure being turned into success.Remember, the task at hand that's being rolled for is to climb the cliff.&nbsp; That's it.&nbsp; Any concerns about anything at the top of the cliff have to wait to see if you even get there.The bolded outright turns a failure into a success - you failed, but still climbed the cliff - and that to me is a complete non-starter.&nbsp; Fail means fail.The other as-yet-unmentioned piece about concatenating multiple actions into one declaration is that those multiple actions may require testing vastly different character skills and-or abilities.&nbsp; Climbing the cliff to save your friend is a perfect example: you need some sort of climbing or athletics ability to climb the cliff and some other skill or ability (could be healing, could be combat, could be whatever, depending what the in-fiction situation is up there) to save your friend.Squeezing both these tests into one roll isn't right.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9679035, member: 29398"] This completely fails (sorry) to address my concerns about failure being turned into success. Remember, the task at hand that's being rolled for is to climb the cliff. That's it. Any concerns about anything at the top of the cliff have to wait to see if you even get there. The bolded outright turns a failure into a success - you failed, but still climbed the cliff - and that to me is a complete non-starter. Fail means fail. The other as-yet-unmentioned piece about concatenating multiple actions into one declaration is that those multiple actions may require testing vastly different character skills and-or abilities. Climbing the cliff to save your friend is a perfect example: you need some sort of climbing or athletics ability to climb the cliff and some other skill or ability (could be healing, could be combat, could be whatever, depending what the in-fiction situation is up there) to save your friend. Squeezing both these tests into one roll isn't right. [/QUOTE]

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