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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9679250" data-attributes="member: 6785785">I accept that you have different preferences. I don’t accept your description of mine. I mean, I expect that when you think someone’s not accurately describing methods that you might enjoy, you might say something about it.&nbsp; It’s a roll to determine why you’re climbing the wall? What? I don’t think there’s a reason to separate the intended goal and the attempt of the task itself. It seems very odd to me. If I’m climbing a wall, or performing any other task, there’s a reason, right? I’m doing X to get Y, or something similar. I don’t see why you would totally ignore Y and focus solely on X in and of itself.It seems very odd to me… and isolated in a way such a thing wouldn’t be in a living, breathing world. It feels disconnected. No one is talking about unconnected stakes, that’s the thing. No one is talking about results being “dramatic”. We’ve been talking about them being meaningful, or interesting. Right. This is one of the ways that moving the decision to the mechanics… to the gameplay… allows for player agency. In the games of many folks here, I imagine that the player could make their climb check and get to the top whole and as quickly as possible… and the GM could then say “but you’re still too late… your friend has been killed”. Keeping the roll so focused on success/failure of the task attempted rather than the resolution of the situation means that the GM gets to continue calling the shots.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 9679250, member: 6785785"] I accept that you have different preferences. I don’t accept your description of mine. I mean, I expect that when you think someone’s not accurately describing methods that you might enjoy, you might say something about it. It’s a roll to determine why you’re climbing the wall? What? I don’t think there’s a reason to separate the intended goal and the attempt of the task itself. It seems very odd to me. If I’m climbing a wall, or performing any other task, there’s a reason, right? I’m doing X to get Y, or something similar. I don’t see why you would totally ignore Y and focus solely on X in and of itself. It seems very odd to me… and isolated in a way such a thing wouldn’t be in a living, breathing world. It feels disconnected. No one is talking about unconnected stakes, that’s the thing. No one is talking about results being “dramatic”. We’ve been talking about them being meaningful, or interesting. Right. This is one of the ways that moving the decision to the mechanics… to the gameplay… allows for player agency. In the games of many folks here, I imagine that the player could make their climb check and get to the top whole and as quickly as possible… and the GM could then say “but you’re still too late… your friend has been killed”. Keeping the roll so focused on success/failure of the task attempted rather than the resolution of the situation means that the GM gets to continue calling the shots. [/QUOTE]

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