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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9697353" data-attributes="member: 7026617">Sadly, some players have scar tissue from dealing with GMs that if you wanted to get anywhere you pretty much had to take this tact, and it doesn't go away just because you're now playing with a GM where you don't.  Though not all, this is the cause of a lot of player bad habits; being trained into it by GMs who either didn't realize the implications of how they handled things, or didn't care.I'd suggest you've had a fortunate ratio of, at worst "work in progress" players to ones with damage they'll exhibit at that table.  I've seen otherwise excellent, and non-malign-intentioned players who will take advantage when opportunity presents.  Some as a consequence of personal flaws, some because they've been taught its a necessity.No offense, man, but if you think that on a consistent basis, I have to say you've been fortunate.</blockquote>