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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Firebird" data-source="post: 9697674" data-attributes="member: 7015803">RM and RQ aren't too much sim. I just don't think you need to have the player make all the dodge rolls for "the player controls the PC to hold as a general principle".We have had a discussion about knowledge checks work. The methods you're suggesting fall on the far side of the line for us.I don't understand where the confusion regarding spectrum lies. I'm saying red light is ~620-750 nm. Some things are clearly fine (700). Some are on the edge (620). Some are clearly not fine (300).It seems to me like you're saying "they are all light and there is no fundamental difference in that regard, so why can't we have a discussion about 400"? Or "don't the cutoffs seem a bit gerrymandered? Why aren't they 600-770, or 500-700"? I think there is some ambiguity for the edge cases, as always with categorization. But that doesn't mean the categories don't exist and don't capture something real. And it is easy to see movement along the spectrum.We've outlined the principles involved in making these decisions, in terms of a fixed world, fidelity to that world, in terms of player/PC distinction. So apply those, and see if techniques break them a little or a lot. Maybe RM is 730 (I haven't played it). D&D is 700. The 10 page backstory is 640. And ascribing meaning to the runes is way down at 400.The last one differs in that it is prompted by a failed check.Also, you ask "why can we not talk openly about techniques ...rather than shutting those discussions down". Those discussions have been going on for months in this thread. No one is trying to shut them down. We just don't like the method.</blockquote>

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