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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Enrahim" data-source="post: 9698659" data-attributes="member: 7025577">The finer details that enable meaningful conversation about it.That is how to reach a sufficiently common understanding of "fail forward" that we avoid conversations of this kind:A: Avoiding the game stalling by the player getting stuck on a thing is great, and is called fail forward.B: I agree. I generally never allow retries, and make sure there are always other options to pursuie on a failure, making sure the game never stalls.A: Wait a second, that is not fail forward because [definition I of fail forward]B: Oh, then I do not think I like fail forward as it seem to encourage [undesired behavior X]C: But [undesired behavoir X] is not fail forward because [definition II of fail forward]D: But [definition II of fail forward] seem to allow [undesired behavior Y] which would not be normally allowed in my game.E: I do not see the problem with [undesired behavior Y]D: Explains why [undesired behavior Y] is not working out alongside their preferences.F: Pointing out that it is perfectly possible to just not get into the problems of [undesired behavior Y] with fail forward because of [definition III of fail forward].G: Agreeing with F pointing out that fail forward is perfectly ok as simply not allowing retry would be failing foward according to [definition III].D: Expressing sceptisism is this is indeed fail forward.G: Reiterating that according to G's understanding just not allowing retry is failing forward.A: (Having missed some key parts of the context due to the thread moving at breakneck speed) G-s understanding is wrong because as pointed out earlier [reiterate definition I of fail forward].We are in a situation where there are several ideas of what the word "fail forward" means, and everyone keep replying as if their own understanding of the term is the universally correct understanding of the term, so people keep correcting each other for misuse of the term.</blockquote>

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