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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9699175" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I don't understand what "leaving a sting with the party" means, so I can't respond to this.As for the argument, you're asking me to do something I literally cannot do. Fail Forward is specifically meant for the times when the common approach breaks down.This is like telling me to only make arguments for quality spare tires by presuming that every car has a brand-new set of tires, or fire extinguishers for a building made exclusively of concrete. You are telling me to only make arguments based on the situation when FF is completely and utterly pointless, because we have presumed the problem it's there to fix doesn't happen. I'm not, in any way, characterizing things as "the traditional way ALWAYS FAILS". Hell, I'm not even presenting the traditional method in a bad light! This is just a known, pervasive problem that doesn't really have a solution within that traditional method, and FF is the solution for it.</blockquote>