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<blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9704103" data-attributes="member: 6906980"><p>There are multiple definitions and usages of many words*, not just game terms. You don't get to decide for me how I am using the term when I have repeatedly qualified my usage, repeating your opinion doesn't change anything. I create the fictional world but once we're in play I'm refereeing the game from the perspective of the world and it's inhabitants with no overarching goals or eye on the narrative. The players interact with the world only through the words and (simulated) actions of their characters.</p><p></p><p>Meanwhile your usage? I think it's kind of pointless because the level of accuracy you demand is impossible while also being on a sliding scale based on nothing more than opinion and preference. Even your example of "This is not a simulation" biplane game is a crude simulation. Did we have biplanes? Yes. Did they shoot down balloons and other planes? Yes. Did biplanes fly but have limited turning radius while their main weapon was a machine gun? Also yes and yes. Is it as accurate a depiction as Rise of Flight? No, they had extremely limited hardware in the old game to work with. But even Rise of Flight doesn't model how the internal combustion engine works in any level of detail, it just plugs in numbers for how fast the plane is and if the engine affected flight dynamics in some other way. No simulation will never be 100% accurate. Meanwhile unlike Mario Kart neither one of those grants power-ups because they hit a shiny spinning object.</p><p></p><p>So if you don't have anything else to say other than "You're wrong, I'm right", I don't see much value in continuing.</p><p></p><p>*</p><p>[SPOILER='Definitions for the word "run"']</p><h2>verb (used without object)</h2><p>ran, run, running. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to go quickly by moving the legs more rapidly than at a walk and in such a manner that for an instant in each step all or both feet are off the ground.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to move with haste; act quickly.<br /> <br /> Run upstairs and get the iodine.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to depart quickly; take to flight; flee or escape.<br /> <br /> to run from danger.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to have recourse for aid, support, comfort, etc..<br /> <br /> He shouldn't run to his parents with every little problem.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to make a quick trip or informal visit for a short stay at a place.<br /> <br /> to run up to New York;<br /> <br /> I will run over to see you after dinner.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to go around, rove, or ramble without restraint (often followed by<em>about</em> ).<br /> <br /> to run about in the park.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to move, roll, or progress from momentum or from being hurled, kicked, or otherwise propelled.<br /> <br /> The wheel ran over the curb and into the street.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Sports. </em><br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to take part in a race or contest.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to finish in a race or contest in a certain numerical position.<br /> <br /> The horse ran second.</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be or campaign as a candidate for election.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to migrate, as fish.<br /> <br /> to run in huge shoals.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">(of fish) to migrate upstream or inshore from deep water to spawn.<br /> <br /> Now that it's fall, the salmon are running.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to move under continuing power or force, as of the wind, a motor, etc..<br /> <br /> The car ran along the highway.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">(of a ship, automobile, etc.) to be sailed or driven from a safe, proper, or given route.<br /> <br /> The ship ran aground.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to ply between places, as a vessel or conveyance.<br /> <br /> This bus runs between New Haven and Hartford.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to move, glide, turn, rotate, or pass easily, freely, or smoothly.<br /> <br /> A rope runs in a pulley.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to creep, trail, or climb, as growing vines.<br /> <br /> The ivy ran up the side of the house.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to come undone or to unravel, as stitches or a fabric.<br /> <br /> these stockings run easily.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to flow, as a liquid.<br /> <br /> Let the water run before you drink it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to flow along, especially strongly, as a stream or the sea.<br /> <br /> The rapids ran over the rocks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to empty or transfer contents.<br /> <br /> The river ran into the sea.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to appear, occur, or exist within a certain limited range; include a specific range of variations (usually followed by<em>from</em> ).<br /> <br /> Your work runs from fair to bad.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to melt and flow or drip.<br /> <br /> Wax ran down the burning candle.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Golf. </em>(of a golf ball) to bounce or roll along the ground just after landing from a stroke.<br /> <br /> The ball struck the green and ran seven feet past the hole.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to spread when applied to a surface, as a liquid.<br /> <br /> Fresh paint ran over the window molding onto the pane.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to spread over a material when exposed to moisture.<br /> <br /> The dyes in this fabric are guaranteed not to run in washing.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to undergo a spreading of colors.<br /> <br /> materials that run when washed.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to flow forth as a discharge.<br /> <br /> Tears ran from her eyes.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to discharge or give passage to a liquid or fluid.<br /> <br /> Her eyes ran with tears.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to operate or function.<br /> <br /> How does your new watch run?<br /> <br /> Cars run on gasoline.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be in operation.<br /> <br /> the noise of a dishwasher running.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to continue in operation.<br /> <br /> The furnace runs most of the day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to elapse; pass or go by, as time.<br /> <br /> Time is running out, and we must hurry.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to pass into or meet with a certain state or condition.<br /> <br /> to run into debt;<br /> <br /> to run into trouble.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to get or become.<br /> <br /> The well ran dry.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to amount; total.<br /> <br /> The bill ran to $100.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be stated or worded in a certain manner.<br /> <br /> The minutes of the last meeting run as follows.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Commerce. </em><br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to accumulate, follow, or become payable in due course, as interest on a debt.<br /> <br /> Your interest runs from January 1st to December 31st.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to make many withdrawals in rapid succession, as from a bank.</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Law. </em><br /> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to have legal force or effect, as a writ.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to continue to operate.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to go along with.<br /> <br /> The easement runs with the land.</li> </ol></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to proceed, continue, or go.<br /> <br /> The story runs for eight pages.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to extend in a given direction.<br /> <br /> This road runs north to Litchfield.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to extend for a certain length.<br /> <br /> The unpaved section runs for eight miles.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to extend over a given surface.<br /> <br /> Shelves ran from floor to ceiling.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be printed, as on a printing press.<br /> <br /> Two thousand copies ran before the typo was caught.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to appear in print or be published as a story, photograph, etc., in a newspaper, magazine, or the like.<br /> <br /> The account ran in all the papers.<br /> <br /> The political cartoon always runs on the editorial page.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be performed on a stage or be played continually, as a play.<br /> <br /> The play ran for two years.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to occur or take place continuously, as a movie.<br /> <br /> The picture runs for two hours.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to pass quickly.<br /> <br /> A thought ran through his mind. Her eyes ran over the room.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be disseminated, circulated, or spread rapidly.<br /> <br /> The news of his promotion ran all over town.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to continue or return persistently; recur.<br /> <br /> The old tune ran through his mind all day.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to have or tend to have or produce a specified character, quality, form, etc..<br /> <br /> This novel runs to long descriptions.<br /> <br /> This family runs to extreme in everything from foot size to skin sensitivity.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">to be or continue to be of a certain or average size, number, etc..<br /> <br /> Potatoes are running large this year.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><em>Nautical. </em>to sail before the wind.</li> </ol><p>[/SPOILER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AlViking, post: 9704103, member: 6906980"] There are multiple definitions and usages of many words*, not just game terms. You don't get to decide for me how I am using the term when I have repeatedly qualified my usage, repeating your opinion doesn't change anything. I create the fictional world but once we're in play I'm refereeing the game from the perspective of the world and it's inhabitants with no overarching goals or eye on the narrative. The players interact with the world only through the words and (simulated) actions of their characters. Meanwhile your usage? I think it's kind of pointless because the level of accuracy you demand is impossible while also being on a sliding scale based on nothing more than opinion and preference. Even your example of "This is not a simulation" biplane game is a crude simulation. Did we have biplanes? Yes. Did they shoot down balloons and other planes? Yes. Did biplanes fly but have limited turning radius while their main weapon was a machine gun? Also yes and yes. Is it as accurate a depiction as Rise of Flight? No, they had extremely limited hardware in the old game to work with. But even Rise of Flight doesn't model how the internal combustion engine works in any level of detail, it just plugs in numbers for how fast the plane is and if the engine affected flight dynamics in some other way. No simulation will never be 100% accurate. Meanwhile unlike Mario Kart neither one of those grants power-ups because they hit a shiny spinning object. So if you don't have anything else to say other than "You're wrong, I'm right", I don't see much value in continuing. * [SPOILER='Definitions for the word "run"'] [HEADING=1]verb (used without object)[/HEADING] ran, run, running. [LIST=1] [*]to go quickly by moving the legs more rapidly than at a walk and in such a manner that for an instant in each step all or both feet are off the ground. [*]to move with haste; act quickly. Run upstairs and get the iodine. [*]to depart quickly; take to flight; flee or escape. to run from danger. [*]to have recourse for aid, support, comfort, etc.. He shouldn't run to his parents with every little problem. [*]to make a quick trip or informal visit for a short stay at a place. to run up to New York; I will run over to see you after dinner. [*]to go around, rove, or ramble without restraint (often followed by[I]about[/I] ). to run about in the park. [*]to move, roll, or progress from momentum or from being hurled, kicked, or otherwise propelled. The wheel ran over the curb and into the street. [*][I]Sports. [/I] [LIST=1] [*]to take part in a race or contest. [*]to finish in a race or contest in a certain numerical position. The horse ran second. [/LIST] [*]to be or campaign as a candidate for election. [*]to migrate, as fish. to run in huge shoals. [*](of fish) to migrate upstream or inshore from deep water to spawn. Now that it's fall, the salmon are running. [*]to move under continuing power or force, as of the wind, a motor, etc.. The car ran along the highway. [*](of a ship, automobile, etc.) to be sailed or driven from a safe, proper, or given route. The ship ran aground. [*]to ply between places, as a vessel or conveyance. This bus runs between New Haven and Hartford. [*]to move, glide, turn, rotate, or pass easily, freely, or smoothly. A rope runs in a pulley. [*]to creep, trail, or climb, as growing vines. The ivy ran up the side of the house. [*]to come undone or to unravel, as stitches or a fabric. these stockings run easily. [*]to flow, as a liquid. Let the water run before you drink it. [*]to flow along, especially strongly, as a stream or the sea. The rapids ran over the rocks. [*]to empty or transfer contents. The river ran into the sea. [*]to appear, occur, or exist within a certain limited range; include a specific range of variations (usually followed by[I]from[/I] ). Your work runs from fair to bad. [*]to melt and flow or drip. Wax ran down the burning candle. [*][I]Golf. [/I](of a golf ball) to bounce or roll along the ground just after landing from a stroke. The ball struck the green and ran seven feet past the hole. [*]to spread when applied to a surface, as a liquid. Fresh paint ran over the window molding onto the pane. [*]to spread over a material when exposed to moisture. The dyes in this fabric are guaranteed not to run in washing. [*]to undergo a spreading of colors. materials that run when washed. [*]to flow forth as a discharge. Tears ran from her eyes. [*]to discharge or give passage to a liquid or fluid. Her eyes ran with tears. [*]to operate or function. How does your new watch run? Cars run on gasoline. [*]to be in operation. the noise of a dishwasher running. [*]to continue in operation. The furnace runs most of the day. [*]to elapse; pass or go by, as time. Time is running out, and we must hurry. [*]to pass into or meet with a certain state or condition. to run into debt; to run into trouble. [*]to get or become. The well ran dry. [*]to amount; total. The bill ran to $100. [*]to be stated or worded in a certain manner. The minutes of the last meeting run as follows. [*][I]Commerce. [/I] [LIST=1] [*]to accumulate, follow, or become payable in due course, as interest on a debt. Your interest runs from January 1st to December 31st. [*]to make many withdrawals in rapid succession, as from a bank. [/LIST] [*][I]Law. [/I] [LIST=1] [*]to have legal force or effect, as a writ. [*]to continue to operate. [*]to go along with. The easement runs with the land. [/LIST] [*]to proceed, continue, or go. The story runs for eight pages. [*]to extend in a given direction. This road runs north to Litchfield. [*]to extend for a certain length. The unpaved section runs for eight miles. [*]to extend over a given surface. Shelves ran from floor to ceiling. [*]to be printed, as on a printing press. Two thousand copies ran before the typo was caught. [*]to appear in print or be published as a story, photograph, etc., in a newspaper, magazine, or the like. The account ran in all the papers. The political cartoon always runs on the editorial page. [*]to be performed on a stage or be played continually, as a play. The play ran for two years. [*]to occur or take place continuously, as a movie. The picture runs for two hours. [*]to pass quickly. A thought ran through his mind. Her eyes ran over the room. [*]to be disseminated, circulated, or spread rapidly. The news of his promotion ran all over town. [*]to continue or return persistently; recur. The old tune ran through his mind all day. [*]to have or tend to have or produce a specified character, quality, form, etc.. This novel runs to long descriptions. This family runs to extreme in everything from foot size to skin sensitivity. [*]to be or continue to be of a certain or average size, number, etc.. Potatoes are running large this year. [*][I]Nautical. [/I]to sail before the wind. [/LIST] [/SPOILER] [/QUOTE]
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