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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9706252" data-attributes="member: 23751">Armor + dex, but where is the base 10? Before or after?  And the shield is +2, but it doesn't say after the armor, before the armor, or somewhere in the middle. I get that they stopped going for kitchen sink levels of detail, but that just means that there will be more variation among games as DMs make various rulings.  If DM #1 does it 10+armor+dex+shield, that's not wrong.  If DM #2 does it armor+dex+10+shield, that's also not wrong. Same with DM #3 not giving a hoot and just making it AC 17 with no granularity at all.The point is that the game doesn't specify an order.  The closest you get is 10+dex, but that doesn't mean that AC granular instead of hit for damage or miss completely.By specifying an order that is absolute for my game, I have a slightly higher level of simulation than the base AC vs. attack roll gives.</blockquote>