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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="Enrahim" data-source="post: 9707683" data-attributes="member: 7025577"><p>I think this has an obvious bias though. For one thing I think the worst offenders would normally not feel comfortable running a public game. The loss of control associated with running the game for strangers are likely not something someone with strong tendencies toward that trait would happily jump into.</p><p></p><p>There is another more subtle bias: I would think you yourself might have gotten a reputation in your circles for being one that runs games in a traditional way. Causally mentioning previous bad experiences with traditional GMs might just not come up naturally as part of the conversation. Meanwhile I do not know what sort of reputations or conversation topics [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] might enjoy that seem to provoke a steady stream of complaints the way described.</p><p></p><p>I for instance do recognize that most of my own RPG conversations tend to focus on good memories when talking about play. I have had some ridiculously bad experiences as well. So I guess that if I got into a friendly conversation about various styles of play, and potential pitfalls of trad I could easily share an anecdote that could be marked off as yet another data point indicating how bad and dominating a certain trad culture is.</p><p></p><p>That is one of the big challenges with understanding data, there are a lot of details regarding how it is collected, what exactly the prompt was, and the sensitivity for a "trigger" that make it really hard to interpret. [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] seem to have significant experience, and also a certain awareness of this; hence I am taking what they claim regarding this matter very seriously.</p><p></p><p>If there really is some somewhat hidden sub culture that give a good way of running games a bad reputation, that might be something that would be nice to be aware off, in particular to be able to single out easy ways to talk about how what we are doing is critically distinct from what they are doing. My gut feeling is that just invoking "common decency" doesn't do that job.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Enrahim, post: 9707683, member: 7025577"] I think this has an obvious bias though. For one thing I think the worst offenders would normally not feel comfortable running a public game. The loss of control associated with running the game for strangers are likely not something someone with strong tendencies toward that trait would happily jump into. There is another more subtle bias: I would think you yourself might have gotten a reputation in your circles for being one that runs games in a traditional way. Causally mentioning previous bad experiences with traditional GMs might just not come up naturally as part of the conversation. Meanwhile I do not know what sort of reputations or conversation topics [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] might enjoy that seem to provoke a steady stream of complaints the way described. I for instance do recognize that most of my own RPG conversations tend to focus on good memories when talking about play. I have had some ridiculously bad experiences as well. So I guess that if I got into a friendly conversation about various styles of play, and potential pitfalls of trad I could easily share an anecdote that could be marked off as yet another data point indicating how bad and dominating a certain trad culture is. That is one of the big challenges with understanding data, there are a lot of details regarding how it is collected, what exactly the prompt was, and the sensitivity for a "trigger" that make it really hard to interpret. [USER=7026617]@Thomas Shey[/USER] seem to have significant experience, and also a certain awareness of this; hence I am taking what they claim regarding this matter very seriously. If there really is some somewhat hidden sub culture that give a good way of running games a bad reputation, that might be something that would be nice to be aware off, in particular to be able to single out easy ways to talk about how what we are doing is critically distinct from what they are doing. My gut feeling is that just invoking "common decency" doesn't do that job. [/QUOTE]
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