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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9709766" data-attributes="member: 23751">You're making it sound like that's only how it is used, instead how it works in the overwhelming majority of real life games which is very rarely when all the players are against something.Over who?  The king? Nope.  Anyone else? Nope.  He can't go to the guards and make them or anyone else do anything if he's merely someone who gives advice to the king.You are conflating influence with authority and those are two very different things.  A cop has the authority to pull me over and make me show my license to him. My wife doesn't, but she has a hell of a lot more influence over me than any cop does.I've shown it to you repeatedly.  And that's the social contract which is far stronger than any rule ever will be.</blockquote>