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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9711737" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is no different from the rope case. A rope can't be severed without their first being a sharp rock. And how was the sharp rock posited? In response to a die roll yielding an unsuccessful result.As to what you say about D&D, here is a counter-example:I'm not sure what edition that instance of play is from. Here's a similar (not identical) example from 4e play:The player succeeds in a roll to intuit the final argument that will sway the maruts, and thereby wins the skill challenge; and then the player authors the argument. This happened in a D&D game.D&D is not simply how some posters prefer to play D&D. It encompasses quite a bit of variety.EDIT: Also, in response to ‘Runes cannot be read without first assigning them a meaning’: this may be true. But a fiction about runes being read can be authored without first assigning them a meaning. That doesn't mean that the reading is not something that occurs in the fiction.</blockquote>