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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9711746" data-attributes="member: 6795602">But not by the player!I’m not sure how that’s a counterexample?And here the player didn’t decide what if any argument would sway the Maruts. Which for what I’m talking about makes it completely dissimilar. The examples you choose for counters seem to reveal you don’t understand what is actually being objected to? Irrelevant to understanding what people cite as the difference in your examples to their d&d play. Maybe, but that’s not what happened in your runes example.  The fiction you described about the runes being read with a specific meaning required the player subject to a die roll to assign their meaning via authoring.Edit to add, the player assigning meaning of the runes via authoring isnt diegetic, unless some in world entity under the players control created the runes (the PC or some other player NPC). Then it would be.</blockquote>