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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9712044" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Quite sure.</p><p></p><p>I'm just also sure that, as much as the GM is entitled to a <em>reasonably limited</em> number of bright lines, players are entitled to a few too. The GM is, almost certainly, entitled to slightly more than the players are, even taking al the players collectively. But the clear throughline from you and several other people is that the very <em>idea</em> of bright lines for players is that the GM is entitled to as many as they want, which may be flicked on or off whenever they feel like, and the players get absolutely none, no matter what.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I mean, I felt I had succeeded at arguing the point that the "GM can do whatever they want, whenever they want, as much as they want, <em>solely because they have a prewritten justification they won't share</em>" position was not particularly tenable in general. It requires substantially more justification than just that. That there are--and indeed <em>must be</em>--restrictions on what is acceptable behavior from the GM.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My point was not that you are them, nor that anyone else is them.</p><p></p><p>It was that the position <em>is in fact real, and actually held, by at least one real person in this thread</em>. It cannot be dismissed as a boogeyman, a fiction, a strawman, a mockery, an exaggeration. It is, in fact, real and demonstrated before our very eyes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9712044, member: 6790260"] Quite sure. I'm just also sure that, as much as the GM is entitled to a [I]reasonably limited[/I] number of bright lines, players are entitled to a few too. The GM is, almost certainly, entitled to slightly more than the players are, even taking al the players collectively. But the clear throughline from you and several other people is that the very [I]idea[/I] of bright lines for players is that the GM is entitled to as many as they want, which may be flicked on or off whenever they feel like, and the players get absolutely none, no matter what. I mean, I felt I had succeeded at arguing the point that the "GM can do whatever they want, whenever they want, as much as they want, [I]solely because they have a prewritten justification they won't share[/I]" position was not particularly tenable in general. It requires substantially more justification than just that. That there are--and indeed [I]must be[/I]--restrictions on what is acceptable behavior from the GM. My point was not that you are them, nor that anyone else is them. It was that the position [I]is in fact real, and actually held, by at least one real person in this thread[/I]. It cannot be dismissed as a boogeyman, a fiction, a strawman, a mockery, an exaggeration. It is, in fact, real and demonstrated before our very eyes. [/QUOTE]
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