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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9712063" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I don't feel I added any assumptions. I took you at your word with the toy example, and expected symmetry. The toy-owner was exerting such an extreme degree of control over the toy, the other children could do very little with it other than, if we presume it's an action figure for example, moving its arms around and doing that "toy bouncing around to pantomime speaking/acting" thing. If it were a racecar, running it over relatively smooth surfaces or along constructed tracks carefully reviewed by the toy owner. If it were, I dunno, a squirt gun, getting to stand still and squirt it at something (since running around could plausibly damage it, and thus would not be permitted).I applied the same logic to the GM with their setting. Nothing harmful would be permitted. If the GM ever thought, for even a moment, that anything potentially harmful were to occur, it would be nixed instantly. The players would have zero chance to respond in any way to this; their one and only acceptable response would be instant acquiescence. That much you did specifically say, albeit in different words. You were very clear that anything the toy owner opposed would immediately cease, and the other children would do so without even a hint of question or comment. Such instantaneous acquiescence is not a behavior I expect from children, I admit, and indeed not behavior I really expect from any human in general, other than maybe soldiers receiving orders, but I granted it because it was your example and you set the parameters.That's why I said you were changing the parameters now. Now it is acceptable to comment or criticize. Now it is acceptable to, as you say, "leave fingerprints". Now it is acceptable to run the racecar over rough surfaces, even if that might nick the paint or scuff the tires a little. Previously, nothing--not one thing--even potentially harmful would be permitted, and the other children had to be eternally vigilant for any sign of denial. Now that vigilance is not required. This feels like a frustrating shift, to me. Perhaps you did not intend that--but I took your words as they were said. Here is the post, with the relevant lines bolded:Of particular note: "clear instructions", "rapidly shoots down any idea...that they are worried might damage their toy"; the friends "do not question or push, but immediately defer", and they do so "whenever they [the owner] voice any opinion" on the subject.Any opinion gets instant deference. The friends do not question or push--at all. No question, no commentary, instant acquiescence. Any and all such behavior is "rapidly [shot] down". There are "clear instructions" about which behaviors are acceptable; anything else is presumptively unacceptable.Were these things not what you intended me to be operating under?</blockquote>

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