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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 9712928" data-attributes="member: 22779">Again, disingenuous pedantry.&nbsp; If we're going to get that far into the weeds that we need to debate the definition of &quot;ducking&quot; then we're done here.&nbsp; That's so far into bad faith territory that it's not even funny.Prove it.&nbsp; Show me the work.&nbsp; The PC takes the dodge action.&nbsp; Ok, fair enough.&nbsp; The dice are rolled and the attack misses.&nbsp; Prove that the miss was caused by disadvantage.&nbsp; You don't know which attack was rolled in what order, since both dice are rolled at the same time.&nbsp; Even if one attack would have hit, we have no way of knowing that that was the attack you would have rolled without disadvantage.&nbsp; All we know is that the attack failed.&nbsp; We have no idea why it failed.&nbsp; Did it bang off a shield?&nbsp; Was it dodged?&nbsp; DId it fail to penetrate armor?&nbsp; Who knows?&nbsp; The system certainly doesn't tell you.So, no, there's no &quot;arbitrary threshold&quot; that you're claiming.&nbsp; The threshold is &quot;DOES THE SYSTEM PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION?&quot;&nbsp; Yes/No.&nbsp; Since D&amp;D doesn't actually provide any information, it is a resounding &quot;no&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 9712928, member: 22779"] Again, disingenuous pedantry. If we're going to get that far into the weeds that we need to debate the definition of "ducking" then we're done here. That's so far into bad faith territory that it's not even funny. Prove it. Show me the work. The PC takes the dodge action. Ok, fair enough. The dice are rolled and the attack misses. Prove that the miss was caused by disadvantage. You don't know which attack was rolled in what order, since both dice are rolled at the same time. Even if one attack would have hit, we have no way of knowing that that was the attack you would have rolled without disadvantage. All we know is that the attack failed. We have no idea why it failed. Did it bang off a shield? Was it dodged? DId it fail to penetrate armor? Who knows? The system certainly doesn't tell you. So, no, there's no "arbitrary threshold" that you're claiming. The threshold is "DOES THE SYSTEM PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION?" Yes/No. Since D&D doesn't actually provide any information, it is a resounding "no". [/QUOTE]

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