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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9713906" data-attributes="member: 6795602">I speak more to the specific mechanics in dispute.  Depending on how often and fundamental those mechanics come up would depend on how simulationist I think it is.  I don't know the game well enough to answer that.The point of noting this is?  Are you wanting to pit me against them?  Are you just trying to say my definition may be wrong?  To show that simulationist is a not well defined and agreed upon term?   Because I agree it's a not well defined term that multiple people use different ways.I'm also fairly certain that both of them are using simulationist more holistically than a single experience.  I'm not.  I believe we can look down to individual mechanics and instances and determine what if anything they simulate.  Though I also believe we could classify a game as more or less simulationistic than another based on how many such mechanics and instances they have (including taking into account the negative space examples (X thing actively hinders simulation), which might be even more important here).</blockquote>