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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9714584" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>As I understand it, the term "diegetic" is used to try and talk about the relationship between <em>events that occur as part of a process of narration or performance or (perhaps) authorship</em> and <em>events that occur in the fiction that is narrated/performed/authored</em>.</p><p></p><p>Some events in the fiction are perhaps implied, but are not narrated/performed/authored - eg the moment of conception of a minor character who appears only on one page of a novel or in one shot of a film- and so are not diegetic.</p><p></p><p>Some events in the narration/performance/authorship - eg a storyteller clapping their hands to get the audience's attention, or a filmaker using music to establish mood - are not events in the fiction.</p><p></p><p>Some events in the narration/performance/authorship - eg reciting dialogue, singing a song that is sung in the fiction - are also events that occur in the fiction.</p><p></p><p>In a literally narrational medium, there are events that are part of the narration/performance/authorship - eg describing what happens - that are not part of the fiction: no one in the fiction is narrating the weather, for instance - eg it rains without anyone saying "it is now raining". But those descriptions correlate to those events.</p><p></p><p>Are those descriptions diegetic? I defer to [USER=22779]@Hussar[/USER] on the way critics approach this issue: but my intuition inclines towards "no", because if mood-setting music is not diegetic (even though it helps the audience appreciate the story) then I'm not sure how description, the function of which is to help the audience grasp and appreciate the story, is diegetic.</p><p></p><p>As per my post just upthread, Sorensen's manifesto doesn't talk about <em>mechanics</em> or <em>resolution processes</em> being diegetic. It talks about <em>changes to the fiction</em> being diegetic - ie there is to be no authorship unless it is giving voice to in-fiction causal processes.</p><p></p><p>That is a very demanding requirement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9714584, member: 42582"] As I understand it, the term "diegetic" is used to try and talk about the relationship between [I]events that occur as part of a process of narration or performance or (perhaps) authorship[/I] and [I]events that occur in the fiction that is narrated/performed/authored[/I]. Some events in the fiction are perhaps implied, but are not narrated/performed/authored - eg the moment of conception of a minor character who appears only on one page of a novel or in one shot of a film- and so are not diegetic. Some events in the narration/performance/authorship - eg a storyteller clapping their hands to get the audience's attention, or a filmaker using music to establish mood - are not events in the fiction. Some events in the narration/performance/authorship - eg reciting dialogue, singing a song that is sung in the fiction - are also events that occur in the fiction. In a literally narrational medium, there are events that are part of the narration/performance/authorship - eg describing what happens - that are not part of the fiction: no one in the fiction is narrating the weather, for instance - eg it rains without anyone saying "it is now raining". But those descriptions correlate to those events. Are those descriptions diegetic? I defer to [USER=22779]@Hussar[/USER] on the way critics approach this issue: but my intuition inclines towards "no", because if mood-setting music is not diegetic (even though it helps the audience appreciate the story) then I'm not sure how description, the function of which is to help the audience grasp and appreciate the story, is diegetic. As per my post just upthread, Sorensen's manifesto doesn't talk about [I]mechanics[/I] or [I]resolution processes[/I] being diegetic. It talks about [I]changes to the fiction[/I] being diegetic - ie there is to be no authorship unless it is giving voice to in-fiction causal processes. That is a very demanding requirement. [/QUOTE]
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