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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AlViking" data-source="post: 9715278" data-attributes="member: 6906980">Adding fluff and detail does not change the essence of the fiction.  No author of any book ever fills in exactly every detail. No plans can include everything possible.  That doesn't mean that there are no cobwebs in an old ruin, it just means there is no mall kiosk inside my house showing where the exit is.  The cobwebs make sense if it's an environment that supports spiders, a map to a building that doesn't have constant visitors does not.By that definition nothing can ever be diegetic.  Watching a movie?  It was recorded on a camera and then edited.  Reading a book? There was an author, multiple drafts, and editor.  No fiction whether it's movies, books, games, have no outside influence.  But these goal posts keep moving on this topic trying to find some angle to say "Nah, you're wrong and so is the horse you rode in on."  By your criteria?  No game could ever be considered simulationist.</blockquote>