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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Enrahim" data-source="post: 9715820" data-attributes="member: 7025577">Problem with the runes example was not that it was made up on the spot. If the GM had decided on the spot before any roll was made what the runes said, I think noone would have had a problem with it (Edit: OK, if we have some fanatic Soerensen disciples here, that might make an exception). If you think that was the problem you have really missed the point!Also thinking that the issue is that the player being involved in making it at the spot is also missing most of the point. If the player had been asked on the spot to honestly state what they they would think the runes were most likely to mean, I think several (but not all) that has argued against the runes example being sim would have accepted that as sim.It is the feature that a player/character wish was the stakes of a check (and that the check is presented to be based on something completely different than the character's "wishing" ability), that seem to be the thing most are choking on.</blockquote>