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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9717446" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Let me rephrase. "Skills", the D&D concept, have nothing <em>whatsoever</em> to do with skill, the real-world concept?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are professions not skills? I would not call a blacksmith or a baker "unskilled" just because they haven't had an academic education in order to practice their craft. We call these things <em>trade skills</em>, or <em>skilled trades</em>, after all. What you refer to as "natural abilities" are <em>very VERY much</em> something that results from practice and refinement, not some kind of innate and unchanging "talent" (which mostly doesn't exist; "talent" is >=95% myth and the remaining percentage isn't what most people think it is): why do you think professional and Olympic athletes <em>practice</em> so much? It's because it's a <em>skill</em>, that needs to be honed and maintained. Persuasion, likewise, is a skill. That's why there are so many public speaking courses for up-and-coming professional types.</p><p></p><p>Like, I can grant you that there are <em>elements</em> of these things which rely heavily on reflex responses and intuition...but developing intuition is one of the primary benefits of developing your skill at any particular activity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The point was that we call them "Skills" because they, y'know, relate to skill. Ability scores also relate to skills--they do not EQUAL skill, as had been previously said. But I am frankly tired of that conversation and don't intend to continue it; I just wanted to respond to your comments here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9717446, member: 6790260"] Let me rephrase. "Skills", the D&D concept, have nothing [I]whatsoever[/I] to do with skill, the real-world concept? Are professions not skills? I would not call a blacksmith or a baker "unskilled" just because they haven't had an academic education in order to practice their craft. We call these things [I]trade skills[/I], or [I]skilled trades[/I], after all. What you refer to as "natural abilities" are [I]very VERY much[/I] something that results from practice and refinement, not some kind of innate and unchanging "talent" (which mostly doesn't exist; "talent" is >=95% myth and the remaining percentage isn't what most people think it is): why do you think professional and Olympic athletes [I]practice[/I] so much? It's because it's a [I]skill[/I], that needs to be honed and maintained. Persuasion, likewise, is a skill. That's why there are so many public speaking courses for up-and-coming professional types. Like, I can grant you that there are [I]elements[/I] of these things which rely heavily on reflex responses and intuition...but developing intuition is one of the primary benefits of developing your skill at any particular activity. The point was that we call them "Skills" because they, y'know, relate to skill. Ability scores also relate to skills--they do not EQUAL skill, as had been previously said. But I am frankly tired of that conversation and don't intend to continue it; I just wanted to respond to your comments here. [/QUOTE]
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