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[rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.
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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9721355" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>If I did leap off a cliff, you beat me there. The DM and players are on the same page in traditional play, therefore if what you and [USER=205]@TwoSix[/USER] say is true it cannot inherently be railroading when you play traditional play. This is at odds with what you guys have been claiming for years, which is that traditional play is automatically a railroad. Pemerton says it straight out, and others of you agree with him or say it yourselves.</p><p></p><p>I'm just pointing it out so that you guys stop making that accusation, since you know(or at least believe) that it's false.</p><p></p><p>I have no tolerance for railroading. None.</p><p></p><p>And? So he feels VERY strongly about not having it in HIS game or PLAYING in games like that. That still doesn't say that you are doing it wrong.</p><p></p><p>None at all. What I'd do is look for the candid camera or punk'd folks. I've never encountered that anywhere in my life, or met anyone who told me that they had encountered it. Asking me if it would set of alarms if the DM was an alien is in the same category. It's a nonsensical question.</p><p></p><p>He talks a big game, but other things he said contradict his declared "joy" of railroading players. I think he has some alternative definition of railroading.</p><p></p><p>Nonsense. That some of us wouldn't do what you do in our games isn't in any way indicative of railroading on our part.</p><p></p><p>We can't help the way you feel. All I can do is tell you that your feelings can betray you(getting Star Warsy here). Basically, just because you are feeling railroaded doesn't mean that any sort of railroad is happening. However, if it does make you feel that way, you should avoid those sorts of games.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9721355, member: 23751"] If I did leap off a cliff, you beat me there. The DM and players are on the same page in traditional play, therefore if what you and [USER=205]@TwoSix[/USER] say is true it cannot inherently be railroading when you play traditional play. This is at odds with what you guys have been claiming for years, which is that traditional play is automatically a railroad. Pemerton says it straight out, and others of you agree with him or say it yourselves. I'm just pointing it out so that you guys stop making that accusation, since you know(or at least believe) that it's false. I have no tolerance for railroading. None. And? So he feels VERY strongly about not having it in HIS game or PLAYING in games like that. That still doesn't say that you are doing it wrong. None at all. What I'd do is look for the candid camera or punk'd folks. I've never encountered that anywhere in my life, or met anyone who told me that they had encountered it. Asking me if it would set of alarms if the DM was an alien is in the same category. It's a nonsensical question. He talks a big game, but other things he said contradict his declared "joy" of railroading players. I think he has some alternative definition of railroading. Nonsense. That some of us wouldn't do what you do in our games isn't in any way indicative of railroading on our part. We can't help the way you feel. All I can do is tell you that your feelings can betray you(getting Star Warsy here). Basically, just because you are feeling railroaded doesn't mean that any sort of railroad is happening. However, if it does make you feel that way, you should avoid those sorts of games. [/QUOTE]
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