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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Enrahim" data-source="post: 9728950" data-attributes="member: 7025577">I agree to this. I think this was a tradeoff I think they would be aware of, and they decided to take open eyed. I just think the tradeoff was larger in context of 4ed than what it might be in some other contexts.Never mind about 2024, seem like I misread the mob rules, or confused them with some other system.Draw steel (and some other system I do not remember, might it be hero quest I was thinking of?) has rules where a group of creatures (minions in DS case) pools together hp, and members die when a hit brings the total damage passes some treashold. It can still give some weird effects, require some tracking, but seem to me overall a bit more robust.</blockquote>