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<blockquote data-quote="Rackhir" data-source="post: 728432" data-attributes="member: 149"><p>From the SRD</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Excuse me? But what are you talking about? As the SRD says right above, Shield and Armor enhancement bonuses DO stack. If you have a +5 Shield and +5 Armor, you get an armor class of 10 (base)+ 10 (enhancement +5/+5) + 2 (Large Shield Bonus) + 8 (Plate Armor bonus) + 1 (dex).</p><p></p><p>You are correct in that archers can concievably benefit from the shield and armor stacking. However, so can any of the other classes benefit from arrow and bow stacking. It's just that neither are likely to do so. Furthermore, I don't know about you, but I have yet to see any archer characters who actually use any sort of shield or even a buckler. It's simply not effective for them to do so. So I don't understand your complaint. </p><p></p><p>Characters that use a two handed weapon are making a choice, not to use a shield. Just like an archer can't use a shield. Bringing up bucklers is simply a red herring and just as posible for 2HW users as well. </p><p></p><p>You are distorting my point when you say that </p><p></p><p>"By your logic, everyone who doesn't use a shield deserves the chance to have their weapon enhancement bonus doubled up, to make things up to them."</p><p></p><p>That has nothing to do with my point. The stacking benefit applies on both sides, bows and arrows vs Shields and Armor. Not to mention that arguably the shield and armor benefit is more "unbalanced" since it benefits a much wider range of characters. Your complaint is somewhat akin to arguing that a mount's armor and your shield should stack.</p><p></p><p>Melee combatants have numerous feats and methods for increasing damage, to hit bonuses and gaining extra attacks that are not in any way shape or form available to archers (I know there is the Peerless Archer's PS, but any DM who permits that class is probably insane in my view). So the fact that they are missing out on a couple of potential + to hit and damage is hardly crippling in my opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rackhir, post: 728432, member: 149"] From the SRD Excuse me? But what are you talking about? As the SRD says right above, Shield and Armor enhancement bonuses DO stack. If you have a +5 Shield and +5 Armor, you get an armor class of 10 (base)+ 10 (enhancement +5/+5) + 2 (Large Shield Bonus) + 8 (Plate Armor bonus) + 1 (dex). You are correct in that archers can concievably benefit from the shield and armor stacking. However, so can any of the other classes benefit from arrow and bow stacking. It's just that neither are likely to do so. Furthermore, I don't know about you, but I have yet to see any archer characters who actually use any sort of shield or even a buckler. It's simply not effective for them to do so. So I don't understand your complaint. Characters that use a two handed weapon are making a choice, not to use a shield. Just like an archer can't use a shield. Bringing up bucklers is simply a red herring and just as posible for 2HW users as well. You are distorting my point when you say that "By your logic, everyone who doesn't use a shield deserves the chance to have their weapon enhancement bonus doubled up, to make things up to them." That has nothing to do with my point. The stacking benefit applies on both sides, bows and arrows vs Shields and Armor. Not to mention that arguably the shield and armor benefit is more "unbalanced" since it benefits a much wider range of characters. Your complaint is somewhat akin to arguing that a mount's armor and your shield should stack. Melee combatants have numerous feats and methods for increasing damage, to hit bonuses and gaining extra attacks that are not in any way shape or form available to archers (I know there is the Peerless Archer's PS, but any DM who permits that class is probably insane in my view). So the fact that they are missing out on a couple of potential + to hit and damage is hardly crippling in my opinion. [/QUOTE]
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