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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6311061" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Unfortunately this is kind of problematic in 5E, because to use a Rapier and off-hand weapon (of any kind), you need the Dual Wielder feat (yes, even though, in reality, that was a very common combo and is probably easier to manage than two cinquedeas or whatever!). So you're paying a Feat to not gain on DPS much at all! However you DO get +1 AC from the Dual Wielder feat if using different weapons in each hand (which you would be), so there is that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Probably the first time I've completely agreed with DDNFan! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'd be against making SA incompatible with dual-wielding because too many popular Rogue-types in fantasy fiction dual-wield and still deliver deadly blows. I do agree re: daggers getting 19-20 crit for Rogues, though. Maybe there will be a "Daggermaster"-ish Rogue sub-class which will get that. I expect to see plenty of sub-classes in later books and/or Dragon, too.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See yeah, no, 5E doesn't agree - Shortswords are Light weapons, Rapier is not a Light weapon. Reality doesn't agree either, btw - a short sword, like a cinquedea, is considerably lighter than a rapier (1.5lbs vs. 2lbs+ usually though some are slightly lighter than 2lbs) from the same era and place. Actualy swashbucklers typically used a weapon more comparable to a shortsword (in D&D terms - a broadsword in older D&D terms is probably closest) than a rapier, too - though it should do slashing damage, with their buckler. Probably use scimitar stats for that in 5E (even though it looks nothing like one).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That cannot be a correct interpretation, sadly, because the example of combining TWF with Flurry was given by WotC *after* that packet went out. I wish it was, but it isn't.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6311061, member: 18"] Unfortunately this is kind of problematic in 5E, because to use a Rapier and off-hand weapon (of any kind), you need the Dual Wielder feat (yes, even though, in reality, that was a very common combo and is probably easier to manage than two cinquedeas or whatever!). So you're paying a Feat to not gain on DPS much at all! However you DO get +1 AC from the Dual Wielder feat if using different weapons in each hand (which you would be), so there is that. Probably the first time I've completely agreed with DDNFan! :) I'd be against making SA incompatible with dual-wielding because too many popular Rogue-types in fantasy fiction dual-wield and still deliver deadly blows. I do agree re: daggers getting 19-20 crit for Rogues, though. Maybe there will be a "Daggermaster"-ish Rogue sub-class which will get that. I expect to see plenty of sub-classes in later books and/or Dragon, too. See yeah, no, 5E doesn't agree - Shortswords are Light weapons, Rapier is not a Light weapon. Reality doesn't agree either, btw - a short sword, like a cinquedea, is considerably lighter than a rapier (1.5lbs vs. 2lbs+ usually though some are slightly lighter than 2lbs) from the same era and place. Actualy swashbucklers typically used a weapon more comparable to a shortsword (in D&D terms - a broadsword in older D&D terms is probably closest) than a rapier, too - though it should do slashing damage, with their buckler. Probably use scimitar stats for that in 5E (even though it looks nothing like one). That cannot be a correct interpretation, sadly, because the example of combining TWF with Flurry was given by WotC *after* that packet went out. I wish it was, but it isn't. [/QUOTE]
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