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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fafhrd" data-source="post: 3060814" data-attributes="member: 18517">I've been having a great time as the wizard of a 4 man team in RARe.  The DM started us at 7th level and we've since made it to 9th.  We've just scraped through a few encounters with a little ingenuity and a lot of luck, so the starting level seems to have worked out fairly well with a tough(though not superlative) 32 point buy group.  I'm not sure how gestalt works out in play, but 5th level seems like it would be the absolute minimum survivable starting level, and I use 'survivable' loosely.The trips to and from the dungeon are stocked with encounters.  Frequent random and locational encounters are probably essential for weaker groups.  There's plenty of opportunity to get some xp under the belt before getting to the dungeon proper.</blockquote>