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<blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 2333653" data-attributes="member: 4134"><p>Depends on the abilities. Look at the dwarf. </p><p></p><p>Instead of these skills and that feat, he gets:</p><p></p><p>- Practically free +2 con (-2 cha is trivial to most "classical" dwarven builds)</p><p>- darkvision (a big plus)</p><p>- Stonecunning (well, it may not be that great, but he gets it anyway)</p><p>- Practically free exotic weapon proficiency in the waraxe (Most "classical" builds will profit from this one)</p><p>- Stability (can be useful if your DM uses this stuff)</p><p>- +2 on saving throws against poison and magic (in other words: just about every saving throw you'll ever make. This is easily worth one feat or two. It's almost like free lightning reflexes, iron will and toughness)</p><p>- An attack bonus against enemies that are quite common, especially at lower levels</p><p>- A big AC bonus against giants, which can come in quite handy, too.</p><p></p><p>Sure, dwarven bards, sorcerers, and to some degree, paladins, aren't the best build, and rogues are somewhat less likely to be social type, but most classes benefit greatly from the con bonus and the save bonuses. These are worth a bonus feat and an extra skill point I say. </p><p></p><p>And when we're talking about a weapon-and-shield warrior type, dwarves are better than any other race, especially humans (the human might use one feat to get proficient in bastard swords or the war-axe, and the dwarf gets that, anyway. So we have one extra skill point - which aren't incredibly important to a fighter - against extra hit points, a bonus to almost every save, and other stuff).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course, my arguments prove more that dwarves deserve LA +1 at the least, but it also shows that humans don't outclass every other race by a wide margin.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, since a racial PrC is one that can only be taken by those levels. Non-humans might have to wait a little longer (but see below), but they can still get in.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They can only qualify sooner if the PrC has no other requirements that force you to take more levels: Minimum BRB, minimum skill ranks, minimum caster level/spell level. </p><p></p><p>I cannot think of many PrC's that let humans enter 3 levels sooner because of that feat. Of course, humans don't have such a hard time qualifying those classes, and usually have the liberty of spending one of their feats as they want.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It only means that you can multiclass more easily - in some cases. What if you want to be a character with basically two classes, but have one or two levels in a third to get something. Maybe a fighter/wizard with two levels of rogue for evasion. A halfling can do it, since rogue doesn't count, but the human will eliminate fighter and get penalties because wizard and rogue are too far apart.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kae'Yoss, post: 2333653, member: 4134"] Depends on the abilities. Look at the dwarf. Instead of these skills and that feat, he gets: - Practically free +2 con (-2 cha is trivial to most "classical" dwarven builds) - darkvision (a big plus) - Stonecunning (well, it may not be that great, but he gets it anyway) - Practically free exotic weapon proficiency in the waraxe (Most "classical" builds will profit from this one) - Stability (can be useful if your DM uses this stuff) - +2 on saving throws against poison and magic (in other words: just about every saving throw you'll ever make. This is easily worth one feat or two. It's almost like free lightning reflexes, iron will and toughness) - An attack bonus against enemies that are quite common, especially at lower levels - A big AC bonus against giants, which can come in quite handy, too. Sure, dwarven bards, sorcerers, and to some degree, paladins, aren't the best build, and rogues are somewhat less likely to be social type, but most classes benefit greatly from the con bonus and the save bonuses. These are worth a bonus feat and an extra skill point I say. And when we're talking about a weapon-and-shield warrior type, dwarves are better than any other race, especially humans (the human might use one feat to get proficient in bastard swords or the war-axe, and the dwarf gets that, anyway. So we have one extra skill point - which aren't incredibly important to a fighter - against extra hit points, a bonus to almost every save, and other stuff). Of course, my arguments prove more that dwarves deserve LA +1 at the least, but it also shows that humans don't outclass every other race by a wide margin. Not really, since a racial PrC is one that can only be taken by those levels. Non-humans might have to wait a little longer (but see below), but they can still get in. They can only qualify sooner if the PrC has no other requirements that force you to take more levels: Minimum BRB, minimum skill ranks, minimum caster level/spell level. I cannot think of many PrC's that let humans enter 3 levels sooner because of that feat. Of course, humans don't have such a hard time qualifying those classes, and usually have the liberty of spending one of their feats as they want. It only means that you can multiclass more easily - in some cases. What if you want to be a character with basically two classes, but have one or two levels in a third to get something. Maybe a fighter/wizard with two levels of rogue for evasion. A halfling can do it, since rogue doesn't count, but the human will eliminate fighter and get penalties because wizard and rogue are too far apart. [/QUOTE]
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