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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 3407589" data-attributes="member: 18182"><p>Hmmm, while watching the movie, and afterwards, I never thought that the filmmakers added a homophobic element to the movie.</p><p></p><p>The bad-guy Persians were very effeminate and debauched, but were not actually portrayed as gay, for good or bad.  I think too many people in our society equate effeminate traits with gay men, but it doesn't hold up to reality.</p><p></p><p>I have a pal who is VERY effeminate, and VERY straight . . . but everyone DOES assume he is gay after meeting him the first time.  His brother is this EXTREMELY macho, buff cowboy who IS gay . . . and noone who doesn't know him well believes that.  These two guys I know aren't alone in not conforming to gay stereotypes.</p><p></p><p>I strongly believe that American gay stereotypes are just that, false stereotypes.  And I think a lot of folks are reading these stereotypes into the movie when they just aren't there.  I have a gay pal going to see the movie next weekend, I'll have to ask his opinion after he sees the film.</p><p></p><p>Also, as pointed out before, the Spartans tease their Athenian rivals for being PEDERASTS and do not tease them for being GAY.  Very big difference.</p><p></p><p>While in historically it may be true that both Athenians and Spartans condoned homosexuality and pederasty, the movie doesn't go there.  And the movie doesn't go there simply because American audiences, as a whole, are not ready for that level of candor.</p><p></p><p>It IS historically inaccurate for the Spartans to deride the Athenians for being "boy-lovers" when that was also a part of their own culture.  But this is not, and was never intended to be, a historically accurate movie.</p><p></p><p>When people see anti-gay or homophobic themes in this movie, I just think they are looking for something to be offended about that really isn't even there.</p><p></p><p>I will have to ask some of my gay friends what they think of all of this, but most of them are going simply to see all the half-naked ripped Spartans!!!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 3407589, member: 18182"] Hmmm, while watching the movie, and afterwards, I never thought that the filmmakers added a homophobic element to the movie. The bad-guy Persians were very effeminate and debauched, but were not actually portrayed as gay, for good or bad. I think too many people in our society equate effeminate traits with gay men, but it doesn't hold up to reality. I have a pal who is VERY effeminate, and VERY straight . . . but everyone DOES assume he is gay after meeting him the first time. His brother is this EXTREMELY macho, buff cowboy who IS gay . . . and noone who doesn't know him well believes that. These two guys I know aren't alone in not conforming to gay stereotypes. I strongly believe that American gay stereotypes are just that, false stereotypes. And I think a lot of folks are reading these stereotypes into the movie when they just aren't there. I have a gay pal going to see the movie next weekend, I'll have to ask his opinion after he sees the film. Also, as pointed out before, the Spartans tease their Athenian rivals for being PEDERASTS and do not tease them for being GAY. Very big difference. While in historically it may be true that both Athenians and Spartans condoned homosexuality and pederasty, the movie doesn't go there. And the movie doesn't go there simply because American audiences, as a whole, are not ready for that level of candor. It IS historically inaccurate for the Spartans to deride the Athenians for being "boy-lovers" when that was also a part of their own culture. But this is not, and was never intended to be, a historically accurate movie. When people see anti-gay or homophobic themes in this movie, I just think they are looking for something to be offended about that really isn't even there. I will have to ask some of my gay friends what they think of all of this, but most of them are going simply to see all the half-naked ripped Spartans!!! :) [/QUOTE]
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