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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JoeBlank" data-source="post: 2335632" data-attributes="member: 1806">stevelabny, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I remembered you mentioned being a fan a while back, so I figured you had concrete reasons for your opinions. I'll spoiler, like you did, with stevelabny's opinions in quotes:[sblock]"The movie chooses to start with a really long, tedious take on Batman's origin." I actually liked this part, some good background detail, and set things up well for later."First, a minor annoyance, the reason why every other retelling of the Batman origin kept the show Bruce sees with his parents as the movie-version of ZORRO is because Zorro is a masked crime-fighter and its supposed to give young Bruce his sense of justice and the whole masked vigilante idea."Not minor in my mind, perhaps the most senseless departure from the origin story. Did anyone recognize the opera? Was it an actual opera or something created for the movie? Zorro inspired Bob Kane, and Bruce Wayne. No reason for leaving that out."Second, a MAJOR annoyance, was that they chose to make Bruce feel responsible for his parent's death. Guilt should not be a motivation of Batman. Spider-man might sue, and Batman is all anger."Didn't bother me any, logical for a child to feel somewhat responsible."The fact that he was going to kill Joe Chill with a gun irritated me to no end. Letting Rachel be the one who changed his outlook was embarassing. The Rachel character was so weak and unconvincing that giving her such power over Batman's "origin" just doesn't work."Planning to kill Chill did not bother me, showed that he had vengeance in mind, and rage. I agree the Rachel character was weak though."Then the writer has the nerve to give Alfred the line "It was a miracle that nobody was killed." The writer basically admits that he wrote a stupid irresponisble chase sequence and hopes I'll forgive him because "nobody was killed"? No."Agreed, it was senseless for him to put others are risk just to make his escape and save his friend. Good point."So movie-Batman is willing to risk other's lives to save his friend because he's still to human and attached to people. Yet he tells Rachel he has no friends, and they whip out the "Bruce is the mask" line at the end of the movie? SORRY, YOU LOSE. you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you write human-Batman, you can't use that line."The only problem I had here was I would have preferred them to "show, not tell",  but I guess they dumbed down some. Understandable, but it doesn't make for a better movie that way. "The final nail in the coffin: He told the dumb girl his secret identity. AGAIN. This is what almost made me walk out of the theate in the 2nd batman movie. And they did it again. WHY? Dear god, why? I weep."Agreed, this was my first comment to my friends after the movie. Why do movie superheroes always have to reveal their identities to the girl?"Caine's Alfred didnt work for me. Too impersonal. Of course, that could have been attributed to the fact that he kept saying "Master Wayne" instead of "Master Bruce". nothing says cold and impersonal like calling your "pseudo-son" by his last name."This observation really convinces me stevelabny knows and cares about the character. Great point, I agree."Cillian Murphy was very good as Scarecrow, but there was one scene where he seemed to be channeling Jimmy Fallon that really bothered me. The scarecrow effects were pretty good for the most part."Agreed, great Scarecrow. His eyes even looked like he was full of crazy."Bale's Batman didnt excite me. He never came across as cool, scary, smart, or competent. The Batman-voice thing was inconsistent. He wasn't awful. But he didnt convince me either."The point on which we disagree the most. Bale is easily the best screen Batman ever. [/sblock]Thanks to your well-reasoned analysis, my rating goes down to an 8. Great points, but they did not bother me as much as they did you, and they still got more right than they got wrong. Still the best Batman movie, in my opinion.</blockquote>

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