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Message: <blockquote data-quote="barsoomcore" data-source="post: 1489973" data-attributes="member: 812">Kai Lord: If you think the Bride that tearfully sends the man she loves to the death he must have is the same woman that callously cut off Sofie Fatale's arm, then, well, we disagree on that. Remember that the House of Blue Leaves is the Bride's FIRST action of revenge. Or rather, her second -- her first being to convince Hanzo to make her a sword. And remember the look in her eyes when she says, "And considering the student..." to him?That look is long gone by the time she confronts Bill on the patio. As is her rage. You'll note that we do NOT get the "Here goes the crazy Bride" music at that point. As in fact we don't get when she FIRST goes in to kill Budd -- it's only after Budd has buried her alive that he warrants the "close-up siren craziness" treatment.Note that she does not kill Elle Driver, when she so easily could have. She renders the woman helpless and then leaves.Yes, she DID take satisfaction in her murderous rampage. She admits it. Crying as she does. She is not that woman anymore. THAT'S transformation. We aren't TOLD she's transformed, but the evidence that she has is striking -- and I prefer stories in which I have to make those decisions myself.If she had said, "No, I didn't take satisfaction in those killings," she wouldn't have been transformed, she'd be LYING.The proverb? A - consider the statement itself: "best served cold" means "after the emotion has gone, after the desire has vanished". After you have transformed, then you must carry out the revenge you so badly wanted. You don't get to go halfway and then change your mind. B - it is explicitly described as "An Old Klingon Proverb" -- that is, it's from frickin' STAR TREK. Maybe that's a hint not to take it too seriously. In support of that, note that the film actually opens with "SHAWSCOPE" and "OUR FEATURE PRESENTATION" -- more evidence that this movie is not pretending to be a representation of life.All of which is specific to this particular movie and I don't insist that anyone else share my views on it. What I really object to is the notion that stories of murderous revenge cannot be rich in value, simply by virtue of being stories of murderous revenge. That's nonsense. There is no subject matter that cannot, in the right hands, provide rich value. That there are many stories of murderous revenge that are NOT rich in value I won't contest. That proves nothing, other than Sturgeon's Law, and the richness of value (or lack thereof, as you prefer) in Kill Bill is likewise no proof that the subject matter is incapable of richness.</blockquote>

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