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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1490566" data-attributes="member: 151">Damn, I forgot about that. Brilliant. The second half really got into my head. The motiviations of the characters were really beyond what I expected. The character of Budd was an amazing character study, for example. Piecing together everyone's relationships, and how they all played out, was fascinating, to me. Redemption is a touchy question, and I'm not sure if she is, or is not. She certainly does change over the course of the movie(s), as barsoomcore notes. Further, a lot of the movie(s) is steeped in martial arts lore, and that works from a different set of principles. The fight with the Crazy 88s is a much different battle than the one with Vivica Fox's character, for example. As Bill himself says (paraphrasing): "You broke the heart of a murderous bastard, and accepted the baggage that comes with that." The whole point of some of those scenes was that Beatrix hadn't changed at Two Pines at all. Bill was right, she was play-acting...and knowing what you know later, that scene plays out completely differently. It's not mentor and servant, it's two lovers talking (with HIS baby in the mix). The result of Two Pines was that everyone's life changed. Bill changed after the Two Pines incident, and it served as the lynchpin for everyone in the story, good or ill. Remember, Bill wanted to be found. His mentor says as much, and Bill clearly isn't suprised when she shows up. Understanding Bill is, in some ways, more of what the movie is about than understanding the Bride, I think.  She won't stop being a vengeful murderer...she always was and always will be. The point was why she was doing it, and how. Notice that when Bill argues with her about Two Pines, she doesn't say "At least I'd have had Tom and B.B!" She just says B.B. It's pretty clear she didn't really even love Tom, from what I saw. He was just a cover for a disguise. I'm sure she liked him, but she still loved Bill. And note that Bill had no intention of letting her walk off into the sunset, either. He drew first, he shot first, and he was in complete control right until the end. They were both following their personal warrior codes, again returning to the asian cinema concepts. They stand as anachronistic, but they're supposed to, just like the whole movie is. Damn, I like that movie the more I think about it. It's got a whole hell of a lot of layers to it. If you just see it as a 'bloody revenge flick', then I guess we'll just agree to disagree, there.</blockquote>

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