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<blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 1492071" data-attributes="member: 3570"><p>I do think she's the same person, albeit at the end of her emotional and physical rope. Sure, the proximity of her just revealed daughter, the freshness of holding her in her arms, and looking into the eyes of the man who she never believed would or could ever betray her opens up the emotional floodgates in those final moments, but she chooses the <em>exact</em> same course of action as when she began her bloody rampage. Murder. And not in self defense as she ran for his sword before she realized he was armed.</p><p></p><p>I think her character did go through a transformation within the context of the story as a whole, but we disagree on where it occurred and how long it lasted. I believe she changed when she learned she was pregnant, and this was perfectly depicted in the actual scene in which she first learns she'll be a mom and let's the Asian woman sent to kill her walk away. Was it logically "smart" from her point of view? Probably not. Who can really trust the morality and compassion of a professional killer? The assassin could have easily gotten over her initial reaction to Beatrix's pregnancy and come after her five minutes later or five days later. But this was a new Beatrix, and that Beatrix lived until the Wedding Chapel Massacre, where she was killed with the rest of the party.</p><p></p><p>The Bride who emerged was vengeful, murderous, and would never go back to being the person who let the first assassin go. Nope, even if it meant killing a man she once loved and deeply trusted. Even after realizing that her daughter hadn't really been lost, or even significantly damaged.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because at this point in the story, after so many killings, she's so far into her routine she's basically on autopilot.</p><p></p><p>Yep! And that's the thing. Try to kill her, you get the "close-up siren crazy treatment." Same old Beatrix. I'm not saying its odd for someone to be pissed when someone royally screws them over in such a morbid fashion, but it isn't exactly commendable behavior, and in Beatrix's case, no different at the end than when she started.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, so she allowed her to live with her grotesque deformity just as she did with Sophie. Kind of an "enjoy your life now, b***ch". Not exactly merciful.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Its not that it features "murderous revenge," but that's *all* that it is. You might believe that a tale showcasing nothing more someone's homicidal drive for revenge can, in the right hands, be rich in value but I simply don't. The whole "in the right hands" for me would imply that something *more* would be added to story to make it worthwhile. Revenge that leads to redemption, or that serves as a cautionary tale. But then it wouldn't be a film like Kill Bill. And it still wouldn't offer as much as LOTR or The Passion. IMO.</p><p></p><p>Now, a couple of asides. I think its cool that you're so enthusiastic about a movie. There have been a number of times I've enjoyed parrying and jousting about different points in films just because I love talking about movies I love, whether others share that same affinity or not. Its just fun to get behind a story you love. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> </p><p></p><p>Aside #2: This is probably me reading *way* to much into things but something that made me curious after watching KB1 on DVD again. During the exchange between Beatrix and O-Ren when they say, "Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids...." does anyone think that was Quentin hinting at the Bride's name? Or possibly where he got the idea for her name?</p><p></p><p>Rabbit Trix. Beatrix. Kids. Kiddo. *shrugs*</p><p></p><p>Just a random thought. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kai Lord, post: 1492071, member: 3570"] I do think she's the same person, albeit at the end of her emotional and physical rope. Sure, the proximity of her just revealed daughter, the freshness of holding her in her arms, and looking into the eyes of the man who she never believed would or could ever betray her opens up the emotional floodgates in those final moments, but she chooses the [i]exact[/i] same course of action as when she began her bloody rampage. Murder. And not in self defense as she ran for his sword before she realized he was armed. I think her character did go through a transformation within the context of the story as a whole, but we disagree on where it occurred and how long it lasted. I believe she changed when she learned she was pregnant, and this was perfectly depicted in the actual scene in which she first learns she'll be a mom and let's the Asian woman sent to kill her walk away. Was it logically "smart" from her point of view? Probably not. Who can really trust the morality and compassion of a professional killer? The assassin could have easily gotten over her initial reaction to Beatrix's pregnancy and come after her five minutes later or five days later. But this was a new Beatrix, and that Beatrix lived until the Wedding Chapel Massacre, where she was killed with the rest of the party. The Bride who emerged was vengeful, murderous, and would never go back to being the person who let the first assassin go. Nope, even if it meant killing a man she once loved and deeply trusted. Even after realizing that her daughter hadn't really been lost, or even significantly damaged. Because at this point in the story, after so many killings, she's so far into her routine she's basically on autopilot. Yep! And that's the thing. Try to kill her, you get the "close-up siren crazy treatment." Same old Beatrix. I'm not saying its odd for someone to be pissed when someone royally screws them over in such a morbid fashion, but it isn't exactly commendable behavior, and in Beatrix's case, no different at the end than when she started. Eh, so she allowed her to live with her grotesque deformity just as she did with Sophie. Kind of an "enjoy your life now, b***ch". Not exactly merciful. Its not that it features "murderous revenge," but that's *all* that it is. You might believe that a tale showcasing nothing more someone's homicidal drive for revenge can, in the right hands, be rich in value but I simply don't. The whole "in the right hands" for me would imply that something *more* would be added to story to make it worthwhile. Revenge that leads to redemption, or that serves as a cautionary tale. But then it wouldn't be a film like Kill Bill. And it still wouldn't offer as much as LOTR or The Passion. IMO. Now, a couple of asides. I think its cool that you're so enthusiastic about a movie. There have been a number of times I've enjoyed parrying and jousting about different points in films just because I love talking about movies I love, whether others share that same affinity or not. Its just fun to get behind a story you love. :cool: Aside #2: This is probably me reading *way* to much into things but something that made me curious after watching KB1 on DVD again. During the exchange between Beatrix and O-Ren when they say, "Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids...." does anyone think that was Quentin hinting at the Bride's name? Or possibly where he got the idea for her name? Rabbit Trix. Beatrix. Kids. Kiddo. *shrugs* Just a random thought. ;) [/QUOTE]
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