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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1502175" data-attributes="member: 151">Understanding, no, &quot;getting it&quot;, yes. If you don't like rice krispy treats at all, stating that you think Mom's rice krispy treats tends to lose value as an analysis, when you don't think that any rice krispy treat could ever real ben palatable. If you don't particularly enjoy asian martial arts cinema, and think the very basis of the genre is flawed, then of course you don't like Kill Bill on that basis. It just seems odd that you would even bother to go see it, especially if you didn't like the previous installment.&nbsp;Bill being a complex character doesn't equal redeemed. If Bill was so darned redeemed, why did he let so many people die? Remember, Bill knew right after O-ren and the Crazy 88s that Beatrix was on her way to lay down the smack. Vernita certainly didn't get the memo on that one. Sure, he warned his brother...but he could have given some protection, or could have met the bride at some point previous to her rampage. Hanzo clearly hated Bill enough to violate his blood oath, something that Bill found suprising, but wasn't shocked by. &nbsp;Bill was transformed by her death and then betrayl, and the results of his own actions. He felt remorse, and he felt guilt. But he was still, by his own admission, &quot;a murderous bastard&quot;. He hadn't stopped being an assassin, and had no intentions to do so.&nbsp;I would say that they transformed each other. One of the things I really enjoyed about KB v2 was that Bill was redefined from the first half. He becomes one of the most sympathetic characters, after a fashion. But let's be clear, he's a bastard...and he's OK with that. Charming at it, really. But he also was OK with gunning down his daughter's mother with little provocation, mere feet away from where she was sleeping. Bill didn't try to talk the bride out of killing him...he just wanted closure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;If anything, I'd say that Bill wanted her to kill him, so he could allow her to transform into the mother that their daughter needed...someone he could not be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1502175, member: 151"] Understanding, no, "getting it", yes. If you don't like rice krispy treats at all, stating that you think Mom's rice krispy treats tends to lose value as an analysis, when you don't think that any rice krispy treat could ever real ben palatable. If you don't particularly enjoy asian martial arts cinema, and think the very basis of the genre is flawed, then of course you don't like Kill Bill on that basis. It just seems odd that you would even bother to go see it, especially if you didn't like the previous installment. Bill being a complex character doesn't equal redeemed. If Bill was so darned redeemed, why did he let so many people die? Remember, Bill knew right after O-ren and the Crazy 88s that Beatrix was on her way to lay down the smack. Vernita certainly didn't get the memo on that one. Sure, he warned his brother...but he could have given some protection, or could have met the bride at some point previous to her rampage. Hanzo clearly hated Bill enough to violate his blood oath, something that Bill found suprising, but wasn't shocked by. Bill was transformed by her death and then betrayl, and the results of his own actions. He felt remorse, and he felt guilt. But he was still, by his own admission, "a murderous bastard". He hadn't stopped being an assassin, and had no intentions to do so. I would say that they transformed each other. One of the things I really enjoyed about KB v2 was that Bill was redefined from the first half. He becomes one of the most sympathetic characters, after a fashion. But let's be clear, he's a bastard...and he's OK with that. Charming at it, really. But he also was OK with gunning down his daughter's mother with little provocation, mere feet away from where she was sleeping. Bill didn't try to talk the bride out of killing him...he just wanted closure. :) If anything, I'd say that Bill wanted her to kill him, so he could allow her to transform into the mother that their daughter needed...someone he could not be. [/QUOTE]

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