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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BrooklynKnight" data-source="post: 1914543" data-attributes="member: 4490">Well, there was a good reason for why they were there. They got caught and had to pay back the money, or die.  My gripe is that there wasnt enough heist action, and they kept picking off the team throughout the movie. First Sol, then Bernie Mac, then all but 3 in jail. What i would have liked to see was all of them coming together to plan Another heist against Benedict. One that said "dont mess with us, we're the best" Another plot hole in the movie with Mr Nightfox is the simple fact that he could have claimed to be the best theif on the world on the simple grounds that Ocean used a team, while he worked alone. Saying Ocean is the best in the world kind of devalues the team a bit. Anywho, some of my favorite parts of the movie was the whole gag with Julia Roberts. I saw it a mile away, hell thousands of miles away (the first time Matt Damon mentioned it and got shut up). Bringing in Bruce Willis was wonderfull.  The other cute part of the movie is when the team is "rescued" by Matts Characters' parents. This movie was fun to watch, and is a good sequal, but it lacks any really good definitive heist action, AND it was slightly harder to follow then the previous one. Finally, the title makes you assume that there would be a twelfth team member. Despite that Tess comes in to help they never make it clear if she is 12. In the first movie all 11 were established right away. In this movie she's absent for nearly the entire thing and only appears at the start and end. For an allstar cast, they dont integrate everyone enough like in the first movie and they gave CZJ too much attention. I gave Oceans 11 (The Remake) a solid 8.5, I give Oceans 12 a solid 7.</blockquote>

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