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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MerricB" data-source="post: 1651557" data-attributes="member: 3586">With regard to the fast advancement of 3E, I do think that there is an interesting factor that might be distorting 3E's advancement rate: the effectiveness of players at min/maxing.I believe 3E's advancement is designed around a non-min/maxed party: Tordek, Lidda, Mialee and Jozan, the iconic characters which are used to playtest many of the creatures' challenge ratings.When you get a group of Prestige Classed and Feat-ed characters from the Greate Schoole of Min/Maxing, then they can take on challenges slightly higher in level than those that the Iconic party can handle easily. Thus, instead of a CR 4 encounter being challenging for the 4th level party, it's a CR 5 encounter they handle with ease. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That's a little simplistic, actually, for it's not that clear-cut, but is something worth considering.One thing I think would be worth attempting is to shift the XP rewards down one column - thus, a successfully overcome CR 4 creature only awards per the CR 3 value. Cheers!</blockquote>