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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7851078" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>Against higher level foes, the difference is your attack is no longer hopeless. (Your situation does remain hopeless, but we're looking at an action in isolation) And against lower level foes, they can now hope to hit you (with anything else than a 20; and that 20 might even yield a crit).</p><p></p><p>That low-level rabble go from "completely harmless" to "faintly threatening" isn't what I would call "swingy", but technically I guess that is what it is. Likewise, that a high-level boss could actually miss.</p><p></p><p>But assuming you still face mostly enemies of around your own level, no, I don't see "much more" swingy.</p><p></p><p>In general I would say that the current experience with L-4 to L-1 creatures would be extended to maybe L-8. I wouldn't say that experience would get any swingier. It would just mean that the level range of "meaningful" foes would roughly double.</p><p></p><p>This "doubling" isn't scientific analysis. It's based on that while a a low-level character could now crit a high-level monster, that still shaves of a very tiny amount of the total hp. So while we might say that from an attack vs defense analysis alone, the level range is greater than that, in practical play I expect things to work out much like in 5E where L-8 and L+8 are real limits anyway.</p><p></p><p>If anything PF2 monsters aren't just sad sacks of hit points. They have many more cool abilities up their sleeves, making level still account for more than CR in 5E...</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>The TEML bonus is +2 to +8. Hardly different from 5E, where it goes from +2 to +6.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7851078, member: 12731"] Against higher level foes, the difference is your attack is no longer hopeless. (Your situation does remain hopeless, but we're looking at an action in isolation) And against lower level foes, they can now hope to hit you (with anything else than a 20; and that 20 might even yield a crit). That low-level rabble go from "completely harmless" to "faintly threatening" isn't what I would call "swingy", but technically I guess that is what it is. Likewise, that a high-level boss could actually miss. But assuming you still face mostly enemies of around your own level, no, I don't see "much more" swingy. In general I would say that the current experience with L-4 to L-1 creatures would be extended to maybe L-8. I wouldn't say that experience would get any swingier. It would just mean that the level range of "meaningful" foes would roughly double. This "doubling" isn't scientific analysis. It's based on that while a a low-level character could now crit a high-level monster, that still shaves of a very tiny amount of the total hp. So while we might say that from an attack vs defense analysis alone, the level range is greater than that, in practical play I expect things to work out much like in 5E where L-8 and L+8 are real limits anyway. If anything PF2 monsters aren't just sad sacks of hit points. They have many more cool abilities up their sleeves, making level still account for more than CR in 5E... --- The TEML bonus is +2 to +8. Hardly different from 5E, where it goes from +2 to +6. [/QUOTE]
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