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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7886456" data-attributes="member: 957">I think this goes a little to far.  But, yeah, it is close enough.  And I'll plead guilty to it. To me that is all a game brings to the table - the "underlying logic".  People at the table bring the story and emotions.  I also strongly believe that these issues emerge more and more as people play.  When they are on their 4th or 9th character and, despite all kinds of different special abilities, the core math at 7th level is the same for all of them.  And it shows.  There are a ton of differences between 4E and PF2E.  But this point is a similarity.  And as 4E waned, that recurrence of the same math despite a vast array of possible powers was frequently cited (within my many anecdotes).  PF2E is still new and shiny.</blockquote>