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<blockquote data-quote="Sir Whiskers" data-source="post: 1284960" data-attributes="member: 6941"><p>That's the only reason I don't rate any of the movies above 6-7. The sets are spectacular. The clothing and accessories perfect. The actors ideal for their roles. But...</p><p></p><p>While I understand that some changes had to be made because of the different medium (film vs. book), I can't help being irritated everytime PJ and company changed the story just because. Apparently they thought they could rewrite entire sections of the story better than Tolkien did. And they did this throughout the trilogy:</p><p></p><p>the battle between Gandalf and Saruman</p><p>the entire Arwen subplot</p><p>Helm's Deep (Theoden supposedly led his people into a trap there, from which Aragorn had to save them, the elves)</p><p>Aragorn supposedly dying before Helm's Deep</p><p>Faramir trying to take Frodo and the Ring to his father</p><p>Frodo sending Sam away because Gollum tricked him</p><p>Merry and Pippen tricking Treebeard into fighting Saruman</p><p>Elrond sending Aragorn to the Paths of the Dead</p><p></p><p>And so on, and so on...</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong, PJ made some very good changes, some for brevity (no Tom Bombadil), some for pacing (very few flashbacks, of which Tolkien was very fond). I felt the final movie did an outstanding job of integrating Frodo's quest with the events at Minas Tirith. Those changes were necessary to bring the trilogy to the big screen and I give him kudos for being willing to do so.</p><p></p><p>But anytime a director, producer, writer, etc. takes a classic work and says to himself, "Gee, I can do much better..." I groan. Though the whole bit with Arwen was the worst example, all three movies have scenes dramatically altered from the books. It's a pity the makers of the movie felt it necessary to "improve" upon the original. </p><p></p><p>As someone else has said, the movie trilogy is very good. It just isn't a very good adaptation of Tolkien's work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sir Whiskers, post: 1284960, member: 6941"] That's the only reason I don't rate any of the movies above 6-7. The sets are spectacular. The clothing and accessories perfect. The actors ideal for their roles. But... While I understand that some changes had to be made because of the different medium (film vs. book), I can't help being irritated everytime PJ and company changed the story just because. Apparently they thought they could rewrite entire sections of the story better than Tolkien did. And they did this throughout the trilogy: the battle between Gandalf and Saruman the entire Arwen subplot Helm's Deep (Theoden supposedly led his people into a trap there, from which Aragorn had to save them, the elves) Aragorn supposedly dying before Helm's Deep Faramir trying to take Frodo and the Ring to his father Frodo sending Sam away because Gollum tricked him Merry and Pippen tricking Treebeard into fighting Saruman Elrond sending Aragorn to the Paths of the Dead And so on, and so on... Don't get me wrong, PJ made some very good changes, some for brevity (no Tom Bombadil), some for pacing (very few flashbacks, of which Tolkien was very fond). I felt the final movie did an outstanding job of integrating Frodo's quest with the events at Minas Tirith. Those changes were necessary to bring the trilogy to the big screen and I give him kudos for being willing to do so. But anytime a director, producer, writer, etc. takes a classic work and says to himself, "Gee, I can do much better..." I groan. Though the whole bit with Arwen was the worst example, all three movies have scenes dramatically altered from the books. It's a pity the makers of the movie felt it necessary to "improve" upon the original. As someone else has said, the movie trilogy is very good. It just isn't a very good adaptation of Tolkien's work. [/QUOTE]
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