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Message: <blockquote data-quote="John Crichton" data-source="post: 2265802" data-attributes="member: 4779">This debate has been raging on other boards and I have stayed away.  The implication that Plagus was his master and created Anakin will be debated for years and is the great mystery of this movie.  Palpatine also says that he doesn't know how to save Padme but with Anakin's help they could find the secret.  He could have been lying but if we take him at face value than Palpatine couldn't have created him, but maybe Plagus did.I'll have to see the movie again to make a firm choice of which side I fall on.I think that her broken heart place the force choke killed her.  Having a dark side power affect you while your body is in such a state of flux can't be good.Definately real.  Palpatine is a manipulator.  He didn't need to plant them.Again, something cool to be debated as it has multiple meanings and implications over the course of the series.  The Jedi say that eliminating the Sith brings balance because they prevert and twist life.  They thrive on chaos and emotion so getting rid of that balances things.But you can't have Light without Dark.  I never really agreed with the Jedi's interpretation of the prophecy.So, I guess he fulfilled both interpretations, just at different times.  It's muddy either way.  Yeah, he did make it so that there were 2 Jedi Masters and 2 Sith Lords.  But the Force doesn't care about numbers, it cares about everything.  And by eliminating the Jedi Order the universe was cast into darkness and ruled by the dark side.  But for a moment, there could have been balance.And in the end, he finishes what the Jedi thought he would be killing both of the Sith Lords (Palpatine and himself).  So, I take it both ways as prophecies should.  It was mentioned in the movie that only the Sith deal in absolutes.  So, in this case, I'll take the Jedi point of view.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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