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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Richards" data-source="post: 1642276" data-attributes="member: 508">As for me, I must just be "semantically deficient."  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />   I understood your meaning perfectly well, and I agree 100% that the "Ultimate" line is quite obviously successful.  But I drew the line at letting you get away with stating that ALL comic fans like the "Ultimate" line.  (You should be more, uh, vigilant about posting absolutes like that!)  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Likewise, I don't think my music analogy was bad.  You're arguing that if a band has all of its songs on the top of the charts, I have to acknowledge that it has value to the majority of the listening public.  If you look, I'm not arguing that they wouldn't have such a value - my whole point with the band analogy is, not ALL of the listening public would necessarily like them, just like not ALL comic fans like the "Ultimate" line, as you originally stated (in error).My problem with the "Ultimate" comics is that I think they're "fixing a problem" that doesn't exist - they're restarting the Marvel Universe so people won't be intimidated by the decades of backstory.  So what happens a couple of years down the road, when the "Ultimate" line has years of backstory?  Start over again?  I had no trouble understanding what was going on in the Marvel Universe when I started collecting comics in 1978 - granted, there was less of a backstory then than there is now, but I still don't see most people refusing to buy a current Spider-Man comic today because there are decades of Spider-Man comics that came out before that one.Furthermore, I really disliked what they did to a lot of my favorite characters in the "Ultimate" line.  I hate Peter Parker's new "grunge look" and his parted-down-the-middle hair; I hate the fact that Wolverine is now a teenager with an attitude (and a stupid-looking goatee); I really despise the new, younger Fantastic Four (and don't get me started with "Victor Van Damme"); I could go on, but I won't.  Suffice to say I really hate the "Ultimate" line.On the plus side, I was overjoyed that those who wanted to "rebuild" the Marvel Universe were given their own line to monkey around with, so they would leave the original Marvel Universe - the one I'd been reading about since 1978 - alone.  Had they just scrapped the old universe for the "Ultimate" line, that would have been it for me as a (Marvel) comic book collector.But what was this thread about originally, anyway?  Oh yeah -- rate Spider-Man 2.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I gave it a "9," on the assumption that a "10" would be just about perfection.  There were a few things I found troublesome in the movie (most if not all of which have already been discussed in this thread), enough to knock it down from a "10" but no lower.  All in all, I think this is my favorite superhero movie to date.Johnathan</blockquote>

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