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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 4837066" data-attributes="member: 8863">Average.Where to begin?  Overall, the movie itself wasn't too bad, and was better than I was expecting.  Yeah, there's the whole alternate reality thing throwing a massive (insert technobabble term of your choice here) into the shreds of Trek's continuity, but then there've been so many alternate universes in Trek now that what's one more?   I already knew that this was supposed to be an alternate timeline so I was buffered for the shock.And they were really going for shock here.  I mean [spoiler]destroying VULCAN?![/spoiler].  It's like Orci and Kurtzman looked at the previous movies and said, "They killed Spock in II, blew up the Enterprise in III, killed Kirk and destroyed the Enterprise-D in Generations, and killed Data in Nemesis; how can we top that?"  Top that they did.  If I were a Trekkie with less of a life I might have actually been pissed, but Trek's been messed up so many times that I was able to shrug it off.  I guess I have to credit Voyager and Enterprise for that.  I was surprised there was no reset button at the end, but then this wasn't a Voyager episode.  So now we have three major Trek timelines: the Prime line, this timeline and the Mirror Universe; as well as a dozen or so minor timelines from various episodes like "All Good Things..." "The Visitor", "Year of Hell 1&2", and "Twilight".  I need a drink; anyone have some Romulan ale?  It's a shame too about [spoiler]Romulus getting blown up too (and according to the timeline this happens approximately 8 years after Nemesis), because the Romulans kick ass.[/spoiler]  If the franchise returns to after the TNG, I want the Romulans to still be around and causing trouble.And of course technically, they shouldn't really know that Vulcans and Romulans are related too, because of "Balance of Terror", but then this is an alternate universe.  Of course it gets even weirder when this movie has a Stardate of 2258.42 where "Balance of Terror" is 1709.2, so make of that what you want.  Of course TOS startdates aren't really consistant anyway, and the movie's stardate also coincides with the year, which might have been the intent.   So while there's a lot of really picky things to snark about, why bother?  It's another timeline, so what's the point?  The thing is the whole alternate timeline thing kind of messes with the good stuff in the movie, which is a shame.  Did the cool stuff happen in the Prime timeline too?  That's the big question, I'll just assume everything I like happens in both.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />And there is stuff to like.  According to <a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Portal:Main" target="_blank">Memory Alpha</a> Orci's a long time Trek fan, and it shows a bit here.  There's a lot of nods to what we know about the original crew here, so I give him credit for that.  First he deserves credit for really building up Uhura's character here.  Seriously, of all the original crew members, she had absolutely the least development.  They finally gave her a first name; Nyota had been floating around non-canon stuff for quite a while, and they finally canonized it here.  I wonder if her refusal to tell Kirk her name was a dig at the fact that she didn't have an official first name until the movie?  Though I find it ridiculous that she's supposed to be an expert on xenolinguistics, yet had to drag a big-ass Klingon dictionary on the the bridge for an inane joke in Undiscovered Country (though that was always a stupid scene).I liked the scenes from Spock's childhood as well, but then I was always a Spock fan.  Vulcan bullies are so....Vulcan.  The young Spock is done very well here, which is probably why Nimoy agreed to the cameo.  It's amusing that Spock was the one who programmed the Kobayshi Maru simulation the Kirk ends up cheating at.  Especially given simulation's part in the story in Wrath of Khan: Kirk cheated at it, and so didn't face the no-win situation until Spock gave his life to save the Enterprise.Uhura and Spock?!  What the heck?Kirk does seem to be played up a bit too much of a punk here at times (look how cocky he is during the Kobayashi Maru simulation!).  He was still fun to watch though.So yeah, for me it was kind of a typical summer action film.  And while there were parts I enjoyed, the whole alternate universe stuff makes it harder for me to really care about it.  It did dodge the odd-Trek rule though.</blockquote>

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