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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 3521832" data-attributes="member: 3051">As others have said: Way too much for LA+0, weak for LA+1.The stats aren't balanced.&nbsp; The +4 STR is a huge boost; it's one of those stats that really needs more than one negative to balance in the first place.&nbsp; When I tried to make an LA+0 &quot;heavy&quot; race, the Half-Ogre, its stats ended up as STR +4, INT -2, WIS -2, CHA -4, and then I threw on DEX -2, CON +2.&nbsp; Even that was a bit too strong in practice, but we also added a bunch of other penalties to the race.A -2 CHA is just nothing.&nbsp; If you really want to penalize the race, you need to subtract INT; losing skill points can HURT in the right type of campaign.&nbsp; The -4 DEX hurts, but not that much for the classes this race is ideal for; you won't be doing much ranged combat, you'll be wearing heavy armor anyway, and the loss of initiative or Reflex is minor.On the other hand, other than Sturdy, the rest of the race's &quot;flavor&quot; abilities are extremely weak.&nbsp; Having a small bonus to Knowledge skills doesn't really mean much when Knowledge(any) isn't a class skill for any of the classes the race is designed for.&nbsp; (Wizard and Bard?)&nbsp; And the boost to Aid Another when the other is the same race, or the +1 save boost, aren't even worth mentioning.&nbsp; But Sturdy makes up for this.&nbsp; It's SO strong to a race that already has a CON boost AND is designed to play the tank role anyway.&nbsp; So, that easily bumps you up to an LA+1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 3521832, member: 3051"] As others have said: Way too much for LA+0, weak for LA+1. The stats aren't balanced. The +4 STR is a huge boost; it's one of those stats that really needs more than one negative to balance in the first place. When I tried to make an LA+0 "heavy" race, the Half-Ogre, its stats ended up as STR +4, INT -2, WIS -2, CHA -4, and then I threw on DEX -2, CON +2. Even that was a bit too strong in practice, but we also added a bunch of other penalties to the race. A -2 CHA is just nothing. If you really want to penalize the race, you need to subtract INT; losing skill points can HURT in the right type of campaign. The -4 DEX hurts, but not that much for the classes this race is ideal for; you won't be doing much ranged combat, you'll be wearing heavy armor anyway, and the loss of initiative or Reflex is minor. On the other hand, other than Sturdy, the rest of the race's "flavor" abilities are extremely weak. Having a small bonus to Knowledge skills doesn't really mean much when Knowledge(any) isn't a class skill for any of the classes the race is designed for. (Wizard and Bard?) And the boost to Aid Another when the other is the same race, or the +1 save boost, aren't even worth mentioning. But Sturdy makes up for this. It's SO strong to a race that already has a CON boost AND is designed to play the tank role anyway. So, that easily bumps you up to an LA+1. [/QUOTE]

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