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Message: <blockquote data-quote="crashtestdummy" data-source="post: 6887985" data-attributes="member: 6803354">There's no doubt that this spell and Haste are different. What I was trying to do was to compare this spell to Haste and use that to determine if the spell was too powerful. There's enough overlap that I think you can use one as a yardstick for the other.As stated above, Haste provides some things that this spell doesn't. Equally, this spell provides some things that Haste doesn't. It then comes down to a subjective comparison of those items. The list of what Haste provides extra is above. The list of what this spell provides extra is:- Target self (Haste is better in that respect)- Four attacks with 10 foot reach using your spellcasting stat. Haste at low levels (when cast on a martial character of 10th level or less) provides a character maximum of three attacks that usually don't have reach. Cast on 'Self' and most of the time that will mean the caster has two attacks, not the four that this spell provides.- A mixture of piercing and necrotic damage but without a characteristic bonus- Cancel the spell using your reaction to get an effective Shield spell (minus the immunity to magic missile spells)- No downside when the spell endsIs this combination better or worse than the extra features of Haste (remembering that Haste causes the target to lose a turn when the spell ends)? That's subjective. My view is that this spell is more powerful than Haste but not by a lot. Is it enough to consider it too powerful for 3rd level? I would say yes though others may (and almost certainly will) disagree. Dropping the damage to d4's instead of d6's will go a long way to reducing the power of the spell and bringing it more in line with what I would expect a 3rd level spell to be. Adding in a significant component cost each time the spell is cast would probably be enough to make it a good 3rd level spell without being too powerful.</blockquote>

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